Dwarf/SD Retics

Im starting research on my next snake, and i think if finally decided on a mini retic. I LOVE their patterns i just cant house a full grown full size retic.

Are there any special care they need that a normal wouldnt? Where are the best breeders to look at for the mini guys? Whats the size dif between dwarfs and super dwarfs?

Sorry for the seemingly newb questions, im jsut doing all my research now so i dont have any surprises

I would go with a super dwarf. The dwarfs still have the potential to get pretty large. Ive seen some pretty large jamps. As a matter of fact I dont understand why people still call them dwarfs once a snake can get over 12 feet thats a big snake to me.

Yeah. Go with the SD. I have a yearling male and hes awsome. Has all the personality of a normal retic just in a smaller package. Great feeding response, extremely curious and mine isnt cage aggressive at all. And about them calling jamps dwarf its kind of in proportion to a large retic. I mean 12 feet isnt bad when you could have something twice the length. Haha

redstorm where did you get your SD from? Ive googled sd's and not very much comes up :(

really??

googling "super dwarf reticulated python" should land you at mike wilbanks page (constrictors unlimited) or bob clark reptiles, they both breed SD retics.

You can keep an eye on classifieds like kingsnake.com and faunaclassifieds.com as well.

I got mine from steve at repti-racks. But try looking on faunaclassifieds and kingsnake. There was a guy selling his last 08 male for 250. Kingsnake usually has a really good selection of pythons.

Thanks for the help guys. Im a month or better out from even thinking about putting money down for one, i jsut want to get everything ready for when i do get one, i hate getting a snake and running around town trying to throw everything together for it that day.

I would like to keep it under 10' preferable under 8' :) I just think retics are one of the most amazingly beautiful snakes out there, i dont want a morph I just want the classic retic pattern :D

anyone have a link to a care sheet for one? or should i just find one for a normal retic

Just use a care sheet for a normal retic. And ill have mine in a 4x2x1 which will be plenty for my male. You can email me at redstormlax12@hotmail.com if you need any questions answered quick about them.

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Thanks for the help guys. Im a month or better out from even thinking about putting money down for one, i jsut want to get everything ready for when i do get one, i hate getting a snake and running around town trying to throw everything together for it that day.

I would like to keep it under 10' preferable under 8' :) I just think retics are one of the most amazingly beautiful snakes out there, i dont want a morph I just want the classic retic pattern :D

anyone have a link to a care sheet for one? or should i just find one for a normal retic

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I have a LTC pair of SDs from Bob Clark. They are both under 10ft & are very cool snakes. I recommend a CB SD male if you like smallest length possible. My male is very tame, however during breeding season he cares more about getting with his girl just like a typical Retic. It's cool to have adult Retics that feed on Med-Lg FT Rats.

I hope to produce some more eggs like last year AND this year see them hatch too! Baby SDs are smaller than BPs! They are also very active snakes when they are young, I like to offer them hides & a bit extra room to explore. They are also FAST movers! When working with them I find slow deliberate motions are best, at least at first.

Please make sure to get familiar with the LOOK of SDs, they are different than the mainlands- if in doubt get pics before you buy & post them up. We'll help you.

I got mine from Gerrick Demyers at http://www.royalconstrictordesigns.com/ very pleasant experience. He is a real stand up guy.

As for a differnce from norm to sd tics. I think they are the same. Mine is a real sweet heart but a bit flighty at first when you reach in for him. He always looks like hes gonna bite but hasn't so far. Well he got me once when I was feeding. Note to all "snake is faster than you are". lol.

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Note to all "snake is faster than you are". lol.

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I have a LTC pair of SDs from Bob Clark. They are both under 10ft & are very cool snakes. I recommend a CB SD male if you like smallest length possible. My male is very tame, however during breeding season he cares more about getting with his girl just like a typical Retic. It's cool to have adult Retics that feed on Med-Lg FT Rats.

I hope to produce some more eggs like last year AND this year see them hatch too! Baby SDs are smaller than BPs! They are also very active snakes when they are young, I like to offer them hides & a bit extra room to explore. They are also FAST movers! When working with them I find slow deliberate motions are best, at least at first.

Please make sure to get familiar with the LOOK of SDs, they are different than the mainlands- if in doubt get pics before you buy & post them up. We'll help you.

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This is why i am starting my research and questions now. Im not so much looking for the smallest snake possible, im looking for something that i dont have to worry getting HUGE and unmanagable and something that in 2-4 years i wouldnt be abelt to handle and have to give up. I know the SDs dont look exactly like the mainlanders, but i ahve seen people on here with SDs that are close to the big guys and thats the type of look i would be going for. I think the dark background with the black pattern is just amazing, or a tiger :D

but i am getting ahead of myself im want something under 12' so that i dont always have to have someone there when i have it out. My gf is real cool with snakes, but her limit is about 6' so if i ever got in trouble she would play the scenario in her head

"hmm if i dont save him i get the corvette and our animal collection, and if i do save him i get nothing. Either way i risk running up to a snake 3x as big as me.... *picks up keys and walks out*"

ill check out everyones links and start making my xmas list :D

There were tiger SD's produced this year. They were going for 850 each which i thought was actually really reasonable seeing as how they were the first SD tigers.

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This is why i am starting my research and questions now. Im not so much looking for the smallest snake possible, im looking for something that i dont have to worry getting HUGE and unmanagable and something that in 2-4 years i wouldnt be abelt to handle and have to give up. I know the SDs dont look exactly like the mainlanders, but i ahve seen people on here with SDs that are close to the big guys and thats the type of look i would be going for. I think the dark background with the black pattern is just amazing, or a tiger :D

but i am getting ahead of myself im want something under 12' so that i dont always have to have someone there when i have it out. My gf is real cool with snakes, but her limit is about 6' so if i ever got in trouble she would play the scenario in her head

"hmm if i dont save him i get the corvette and our animal collection, and if i do save him i get nothing. Either way i risk running up to a snake 3x as big as me.... *picks up keys and walks out*"

ill check out everyones links and start making my xmas list :D

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You bet!
Here's some pics of mine-
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...ves/MiniD2.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...ale002copy.jpg

What would I get if I want a snake that gets over full grown female ball python size but under a full grown retic or burm? How big do SD's get and how big do Dwarfs get? Also what are there prices as baby's for SD's and D's?I want something different than a carpet python but also a bit bigger. Thanks.

well dwarfs can get 12+ feet and SDs stay under 10 more around 8

Thanks.

To those who have SD's...

Do you have to ever use a hook with them? Are there any hints when trying to tame a more aggresive SD? I'm probably gonna be picking one up in the near future...

I never have used a hook on my SD. He's not even close to aggressive which is awsome. I think they get a aggressive reputation because of their feeding response. You can hook train yours if you would like but i dont really think it is necessary.

From what I've seen online, it seems that many people have crossed SDs to create smaller morph retics.

Unfortunatly this leads to "mutting" with sd/dwarf/mainland crosses, and this becomes a huge problem with the morph siblings..

I have seen plenty of snakes labeled as "super dwarves" that don't look like super dwarves. They don't have the darker coloring and smaller head and slight difference in pattern, in fact they very much like they have some mainland influence in them.

It is just something to note, if you want a super dwarf get it from a breeder who is working with pure SDs.

If you want something a little bigger than a SD, mutt crosses shouldn't be hard to find! Find any breeder making "super dwarf" morphs, and ask about normal siblings.

Hope that helps :D

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What would I get if I want a snake that gets over full grown female ball python size but under a full grown retic or burm? How big do SD's get and how big do Dwarfs get? Also what are there prices as baby's for SD's and D's?I want something different than a carpet python but also a bit bigger. Thanks.

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"Dwarf" retics are certainly capable of getting bigger than the biggest of carpet pythons. I've seen a vid of a jampea dwarf retic that gives many 4 or 5 year old burms a run for their money.

Pure SDs don't get much bigger than 8 feet for females, 6 feet for males. On top of that they stay pretty darn skinny. A mature male SD retic might very well be outweighed by many large female BPs.

Crosses made between SDs and dwarves and mainlands (usually for the purpose of morph genes from mainlands to mix with the size of smaller locality retics) can be pretty variable, but if you find something with 50% or more SD in it you'll likely end up with a manageable snake.

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To those who have SD's...

Do you have to ever use a hook with them? Are there any hints when trying to tame a more aggresive SD? I'm probably gonna be picking one up in the near future...

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IMO it's a good idea to hook train any snake that has a strong feeding response. Removing a snake from your hand during a feeding response bite, even on a reasonable sized snake, can not only be painful, but stressful on the snake.

[QUOTE=mainbutter;1215774]IMO it's a good idea to hook train any snake that has a strong feeding response. Removing a snake from your hand during a feeding response bite, even on a reasonable sized snake, can not only be painful, but stressful on the snake.[/QUOTE]

What is your suggestion if this happens...I've heard a plethora of suggestions, but the main one seems to be stay calm...The rest has been a variety from spraying, forcing or just leaving...

If your SD was to ever bite you then just stay calm. DONT rip them off of you. You will end up really injuring your snake. I was bitten by my SD on the hand and he let go as fast as he struck.

I might be getting a Dwarf that has maxed out at 10'...What size cage should I house her in? I was told I could get by in a 5' cage, but 6' is optimal and a 4' cage would be pushing the small limits?

For the SD's would a 5' cage also work? I'm really trying to save some $$ and avoid the cost of a 6' cage(s)...:(

Sorry for the repetitive question...I couldn't find a good answer using the search...

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What is your suggestion if this happens...I've heard a plethora of suggestions, but the main one seems to be stay calm...The rest has been a variety from spraying, forcing or just leaving...

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1) stay calm

2) try everything you've heard that doesn't hurt the snake. Water, listerine, and waiting are generally preferred.

I've heard of some snakes that aren't really even that big (full sized SD retic sized) taking up to 30-45 minutes to release when they're particularly willful about staying attached.

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I might be getting a Dwarf that has maxed out at 10'...What size cage should I house her in? I was told I could get by in a 5' cage, but 6' is optimal and a 4' cage would be pushing the small limits?

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If you want an SD i would suggest you go with a hatchling or at most a yearling. Growing with the snake will help you learn and deal with the bigger size of that snake.

As for cage size if your going to have a 10' snake i would go with the 5' enclosure. That is assuming the depth is at least 2'. My SD male will be in a 4x2 enclosure for his life. That 8 square feet is plenty for him. If you buy a true 100% SD then a 4' cage would be fine. I just got mine 4x2's from repti-racks and ill be getting a rack in this thursday. They are great there. Amazing customer service. Most of the time you get a reply to your email in 5-10 minutes. And the product is great. I couldnt be happier. :D