Odd of twins? Twins genetic? (Pics)

I recently posted a picture of a set of twin albino ball pythons....

http://www.siscoreptiles.com/ball%20...bino_balls.jpg

Well, I wanted to post pictures of the twins and two other albinos who hatched at the same time from the same clutch. There are two eggs left to hatch, but it's been a couple days so I went ahead and cut/pipped them.

Here are the hatched twins..

http://www.siscoreptiles.com/ball%20...ino_balls2.jpg

Notice that they are a little smaller than the other two, and they appear faded.

Now, my questions are... What are the odds of getting a set of twins in a clutch? I have researched online (not specifically regarding snakes) and read that some believe that twins may be genetic...

Either way I was shocked and pleased to get twins in a clutch of albino eggs, and could you imagine my surprise when I cut/pipped the last two eggs?

http://www.siscoreptiles.com/ball%20...ino_balls3.jpg

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

7 Albinos from 5 eggs! woot!

Rick

holy cow:O! that is awesome!! i hope you post pics of them as they grow!!!

you got some great odds! congrats!!

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Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles

I recently posted a picture of a set of twin albino ball pythons....

http://www.siscoreptiles.com/ball%20...bino_balls.jpg

Well, I wanted to post pictures of the twins and two other albinos who hatched at the same time from the same clutch. There are two eggs left to hatch, but it's been a couple days so I went ahead and cut/pipped them.

Here are the hatched twins..

http://www.siscoreptiles.com/ball%20...ino_balls2.jpg

Notice that they are a little smaller than the other two, and they appear faded.

Now, my questions are... What are the odds of getting a set of twins in a clutch? I have researched online (not specifically regarding snakes) and read that some believe that twins may be genetic...

Either way I was shocked and pleased to get twins in a clutch of albino eggs, and could you imagine my surprise when I cut/pipped the last two eggs?

http://www.siscoreptiles.com/ball%20...ino_balls3.jpg

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

7 Albinos from 5 eggs! woot!

Rick

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I don't have an answer to your question but I think thas pretty damn cool... I'd be stoked too.

Awesome, a few more and you will have your own Albino BP soccer team! :D

MAN, no normals!!

And two sets of Albino twins! You have odds like you crossed two Albino parents.. wait.. did you? Haha.
Not to mention, two sets of twins is crazy good luck. I hope they're all healthy and grow up perfectly for you. :gj:

Yes, both parents are albinos.

Rick

If it is genetic I would keep a twin and breed it to a het albino. Maybe your chances of producing a paradox would be higher since a paradox is twins that merged in the egg to become one snake. Since your clutch is albinos you may have this already in your other babies but you have no way to tell, which is why I suggest a het, that way with luck there will be a normal and and albino that merge to create a visual paradox.

I don't know that paradox or shatter pattern is linked to twins. I realize that is one of the theories, but until it is proven (through dna testing) I can't put any faith into it. I think it's more likely to be multiple unknown genes.

Now, with that said, I did produce a spider with paradox/shatter markings. The spider came from two adults that did not have the traits, but the breeder I purchased the two adults (when they were hatchlings) have seen the paradox/shatter pattern show up in the same line several times.

Rick

Holy wow!!! Two sets of twins in the same clutch?!?!?! FANTASTIC! Awesome odds, right there!

I'd pair those same 'binos up again next season to see if you can duplicate twinning! I've heard that in humans mothers who have had twins are statistically more likely to have twins again than 'average'.

congrats on that stunner clutch..

come on.. show us all of them..

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Originally Posted by EdShal

congrats on that stunner clutch..

come on.. show us all of them..

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Sadly, I only have two clutches this season. Thanks to a long drawn out divorce, I didn't get my snakes or tegus for almost a year. When I did get them, I was 6 snakes shy (2 adult spiders, an adult female pastel and a few normal adult females were missing) and I was missing almost 15 tegus. I assumed they were starved because the ones I got back where seriously under weight. Because of the divorce I didn't get to cycle them when I received them. I got some weight on a few and got a couple pairs to breed uncycled.

One group was an Albino to Albino, I got 5 eggs.

One group was a Super Pastel to Pastel, I got 4 eggs and one went bad.

Next you should be much more interesting. ;)

Rick

Grats!! I had two sets of twins out of one clutch two years ago. In my opinion, it is genetic.

Ok, the last three albinos hatched, from the last two eggs. ;)

The two albinos on the right are the second set of twins from the clutch. Notice that they are a little smaller, but their color/pattern is normal. The first set of twins from the clutch are faded. Odd, huh?

http://www.siscoreptiles.com/ball%20...ino_balls4.jpg

Rick

Huh, that's pretty weird. But hey, more babies! They're so cute!

Unless you actually summed up every snake that has hatched and every set of twins, you cant really find the odds of it happening. It's not one of those things like the morph or anything, it's a freak occurrence.

Essentially what probably happened is that when the egg went through one of its initial divisions one of the cells separated from the cluster and ended up becoming its own new organism that is essentially a clone of the other (this is how identical twins are formed, there are three kinds of twins).

Sometime you will have an animal genetically predisposed to produce twins, so you could keep trying with those snakes and see if it hits again.

Thoses are some pretty sweet eggs!

Daniel