Bumblebee x KillerBee

This is pretty simple, I think... But what are the percentages here?

A lot of Bees, Pastels, and Killer Bees..........if you use the search button I guarantee 2, 3, maybe even 10 people have asked this question.

I searched through it earlier and couldn't find it. Maybe it was there and I just didn't go through enough pages.

100% hot snakes.

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Originally Posted by gknight

I searched through it earlier and couldn't find it. Maybe it was there and I just didn't go through enough pages.

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Do you understand what a Spider is? Do you know what a Pastel is? Do you understand the genetics behind either of these morphs? If your answer was no, you may want to research them individually.

Pastels are Co-Dominate, they have a homozygous form = Super Pastel
Spiders, as far as the evidence has shown, is Dominate, it does not have a Super Form.

A Bumble Bee = Pastel Spider.
A Killer Bee = Super Pastel Spider.

Seeing as how a "Super Pastel" is a homozygous animal it cannot produce normals which means that a Killer Bee x Normal would not produce any Normals, only Bumble Bees and Pastels. Now with that knowledge alone, what do you think a Bumblebee x Killerbee makes?

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm trying to make a point that little bit of research goes a lot further than someone flat out telling you what it makes. As they say "Give a man a fish and you've fed him for a day, teach him how ot fish and you've fed him for a lifetime".

In the persons defense Arron.......I have to say that no matter how many times someone explains it to me and no matter how much research I do on it. I just cannot seem to grasp the whole genetics thing. I even tried the website and was still confused. UGH.....clearly I failed that class and 20 years later...Im still failing it.

So...in the future...(way off sometime) I am probably going to ask the same type of questions. Just be gentel with the less genetically inclined. ;)

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

In the persons defense Arron.......I have to say that no matter how many times someone explains it to me and no matter how much research I do on it. I just cannot seem to grasp the whole genetics thing. I even tried the website and was still confused. UGH.....clearly I failed that class and 20 years later...Im still failing it.

So...in the future...(way off sometime) I am probably going to ask the same type of questions. Just be gentel with the less genetically inclined. ;)

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You don't even have to completely understand the genetics, if you just know what makes up those combos to begin with, everything will make a lot more sense. People make genetics out to be alot harder than it really is.

And my name is spelled AARON, drives me crazy when people spell it with 2 Rs, WHO HAS EVER MET AN ARRON IN THEIR ENTIRE LIFE!?

This is exactly what I hate about this website. You ask a fairly simple question and expect a fairly simple answer only to be harrassed about your general lack of knowledge on genetics. I'll just keep the question to myself next time.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

You don't even have to completely understand the genetics, if you just know what makes up those combos to begin with, everything will make a lot more sense. People make genetics out to be alot harder than it really is.

And my name is spelled AARON, drives me crazy when people spell it with 2 Rs, WHO HAS EVER MET AN ARRON IN THEIR ENTIRE LIFE!?

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I have

Ok people.. DOWN BOY!!

Just like the first answer you got. You will just get more of every snake in those 2 particular combos.

Pastel
Super Pastel
Spider
Bee
KillerB

And IF you get any snakes that do not come out alive those ones are most likely the "super spider"

This is why many people dont pair up a spider morph to a spider morph. The super version of the spider is a lethal gene combo and they do not survive to hatch. I do not think anyone has ever had one actually hatch out alive yet.

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Originally Posted by gknight

This is exactly what I hate about this website. You ask a fairly simple question and expect a fairly simple answer only to be harrassed about your general lack of knowledge on genetics. I'll just keep the question to myself next time.

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try www.geneticswizard.com ...it's easy to use and you don't need to ask %'s here.

For Killer X Bumble I got

12.5% pastel
12.5% super pastel
25% Bumble Bee
25% Killer Bee
12.5% pastel super spider*
12.5 super pastel super spider*

* - There is a lot of debate whether the super spider exists, so the percentages could change if it doesn't or stay the same if it does.

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Originally Posted by dreese88

I have

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me too, i knew two from school, we dubbed them double a-ron and double r-on

Great, just wait til Robin sees this thread. She'll lock it for sure!

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Originally Posted by gknight

This is exactly what I hate about this website. You ask a fairly simple question and expect a fairly simple answer only to be harrassed about your general lack of knowledge on genetics. I'll just keep the question to myself next time.

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My friend look at your list of threads:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/searc...archid=1079356

You bought 2 Killer Bees and a Axanthic Bumble Bee for Santa's Clause's Sakes! Did you not understand what makes up those animals!? That's over $10K for Bumblegum Pete's Sake!!!!

1/2 killerbees
1/4 bees
1/4 pastels

Don't take offense. Aaron just took the long way and explained it from the ground up. We all have to learn.

I sold 1 Killer. And yes, I understand what makes them, I was just looking for percentages very quickly. I appreciate those who helped and pointed me in the direction of good websites.

I'm sorry gKnight, I really just don't understand how you could spend the money you did and not understand them.

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Originally Posted by gknight

I sold 1 Killer. And yes, I understand what makes them, I was just looking for percentages very quickly. I appreciate those who helped and pointed me in the direction of good websites.

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Percentages are very hard to calculate and really dont even matter once you get up into the triple combos.

The percentages of the genetic punet square dont really ever apply anyway. People put 2 hets together and get all visuals all the time. Some get all normals.

You can get one of each morph in those 2 combos or you can get all pastels, or all spiders..

You just dont know when breeding a triple to a double or more. Your percentages & chances of getting a certain thing go up the more eggs you have tho.

I understand them fine. I'm on the road for work and wanted to make sure I had my percentages correct. Which is why I said in the beginning I thought it was fairly simple, but being relatively new I wanted to double check. Instead, I got harrassed about my lack of genetics knowledge. I thought asking to make sure I was right was acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Draigess

Ok people.. DOWN BOY!!

Just like the first answer you got. You will just get more of every snake in those 2 particular combos.

Pastel
Super Pastel
Spider
Bee
KillerB

And IF you get any snakes that do not come out alive those ones are most likely the "super spider"

This is why many people dont pair up a spider morph to a spider morph. The super version of the spider is a lethal gene combo and they do not survive to hatch. I do not think anyone has ever had one actually hatch out alive yet.

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I was once told that if you fail to learn something new every day you should not have gotten out of bed. You just made it worth me getting out of bed today didn't know that thanks:gj:

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Originally Posted by Draigess

Ok people.. DOWN BOY!!

Just like the first answer you got. You will just get more of every snake in those 2 particular combos.

Pastel
Super Pastel
Spider
Bee
KillerB

And IF you get any snakes that do not come out alive those ones are most likely the "super spider"

This is why many people dont pair up a spider morph to a spider morph. The super version of the spider is a lethal gene combo and they do not survive to hatch. I do not think anyone has ever had one actually hatch out alive yet.

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Quoted the wrong post sorry... apply previous comment to this quote


Sometimes I am a dunce

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Originally Posted by gknight

I understand them fine. I'm on the road for work and wanted to make sure I had my percentages correct.

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Then you would understand that Percentages mean nothing, yes it helps but at the end of it all odds don't mean anything once those eggs hit the ground.

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Originally Posted by Draigess

Percentages are very hard to calculate and really dont even matter once you get up into the triple combos.

The percentages of the genetic punet square dont really ever apply anyway. People put 2 hets together and get all visuals all the time. Some get all normals.

You can get one of each morph in those 2 combos or you can get all pastels, or all spiders..

You just dont know when breeding a triple to a double or more. Your percentages & chances of getting a certain thing go up the more eggs you have tho.

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once you get into triple combos most of the percentages are really low like 1-6%

with that pairing you will never get just a spider one is a super pastel so every snake in the clutch would be atleast a pastel.

your percentages never go up but your chances do.

Wow...sorry I spelled your name wrong...geez!!!

Not everyone can be as genetically amazing as you!! And I don't think you should condemm anyone for buying a snake and not knowing the genetics of it. I bought a Bee ......and though I kind of get it...I am sure that I will have questions down the road. Isn't that one of the reasons for site....to help others with questions. Some of us have been in this for all of a minute and a half and maybe ....just maybe we have enough cash to buy what we like. Doesn't mean we are ignorant, or that we don't know what we are doing. I have learned allot from this site and one of the things I LOVE about it is that everyone is so cool and not condesending. I have been to another site where people made me feel like an idiot (and that was clearly not the word I was looking for).....I don't go to that site anymore.

Geezo...I think you woke up on the wrong side of the hot hide!!

A killerbee x super pastel will produce better results in my opinion:

50% killerbees
50% super pastels.

I have a female killerbee and I will either be going for Super Mojo x killerbee; or Pewter x killer bee - can't decide which but have 2 years to make up my mind!

p.s. my first was a 66% poss het albino male - I thought I could breed that to a normal female and hatch out 66% visual albinos! We all have to start somewhere!!

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Originally Posted by dreese88

try www.geneticswizard.com ...it's easy to use and you don't need to ask %'s here.

For Killer X Bumble I got

12.5% pastel
12.5% super pastel
25% Bumble Bee
25% Killer Bee
12.5% pastel super spider*
12.5 super pastel super spider*

* - There is a lot of debate whether the super spider exists, so the percentages could change if it doesn't or stay the same if it does.

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Yep, this is right. I did a pencil/paper Punnett square and got the same thing (assuming no Super Spider):

1/8 Pastel
1/8 Super Pastel
3/8 Bumblebee
3/8 Killerbee

No need to get all huffy if someone either doesn't know how to do Punnett squares or has trouble doing it...or if someone likes to see the percentages. I like to see 'em too, if for no other reason than to get an idea of what to expect.

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

Wow...sorry I spelled your name wrong...geez!!!

Not everyone can be as genetically amazing as you!! And I don't think you should condemm anyone for buying a snake and not knowing the genetics of it. I bought a Bee ......and though I kind of get it...I am sure that I will have questions down the road. Isn't that one of the reasons for site....to help others with questions. Some of us have been in this for all of a minute and a half and maybe ....just maybe we have enough cash to buy what we like. Doesn't mean we are ignorant, or that we don't know what we are doing. I have learned allot from this site and one of the things I LOVE about it is that everyone is so cool and not condesending. I have been to another site where people made me feel like an idiot (and that was clearly not the word I was looking for).....I don't go to that site anymore.

Geezo...I think you woke up on the wrong side of the hot hide!!

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i agree 100%
some good points made. i dont think you have to be SO rude about answering a question like that or just showing someone where they can find the answer. if you dont "want" to help then just leave it alone. they dont know what you know or they wouldn't be asking you. lighten up!

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Originally Posted by Draigess

And IF you get any snakes that do not come out alive those ones are most likely the "super spider"

This is why many people dont pair up a spider morph to a spider morph. The super version of the spider is a lethal gene combo and they do not survive to hatch. I do not think anyone has ever had one actually hatch out alive yet.

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Just to let you know, there has been no research done on weather or not a homozygous spider is lethal.

The reason people don't usually pair spider to spider is because there is no visible super form and its time better spent breeding them into combos than each other.

Personally, i think the homozygous spider can exist (just like the homozygous pinstripe), it just needs to be proved out by a ton of breedings people usually don't feel like doing.

Hey guys, you just have to understand that Aaron gets sort of cranky sometimes, especially when he thinks that people should know the answer to the question. However, to call someone out & be rude in a font that is small and almost invisible...that's kinda low man...if you're gonna call someone out, do it like an adult and address the issue.

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Originally Posted by dreese88

Hey guys, you just have to understand that Aaron gets sort of cranky sometimes, especially when he thinks that people should know the answer to the question. However, to call someone out & be rude in a font that is small and almost invisible...that's kinda low man...if you're gonna call someone out, do it like an adult and address the issue.

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huh??

Oh...duh...got it.

Did I just show my blonde roots.....lol

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Originally Posted by dreese88

Hey guys, you just have to understand that Aaron gets sort of cranky sometimes, especially when he thinks that people should know the answer to the question. However, to call someone out & be rude in a font that is small and almost invisible...that's kinda low man...if you're gonna call someone out, do it like an adult and address the issue.

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I explained in my very first post about being "rude". Fine take offense to what I posted, I'm just trying to educate the people who seem to want to be educated. I apologize if I don't think the the BP Morphs & Genetics forum is everyone's personal punnet square maker. It's one thing to say "Hey if I breed Y x Z I get ABC right?" but that wasn't the situation.

And I apologize oh so much to "BPelizabeth" for making a comment about how to spell my name. I made it in Gray and small because it was off topic and I didn't intend for it to derail the thread, even though Dylan saw fit to do so, and then call me out the next day.

Oh Dylan! Could you ever forgive me!?

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I explained in my very first post about being "rude". Fine take offense to what I posted, I'm just trying to educate the people who seem to want to be educated. I apologize if I don't think the the BP Morphs & Genetics forum is everyone's personal punnet square maker. It's one thing to say "Hey if I breed Y x Z I get ABC right?" but that wasn't the situation.

And I apologize oh so much to "BPelizabeth" for making a comment about how to spell my name. I made it in Gray and small because it was off topic and I didn't intend for it to derail the thread, even though Dylan saw fit to do so, and then call me out the next day.

Oh Dylan! Could you ever forgive me!?

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I don't necessarily want morphs & genetics to be everyone's punnet maker either, but if someone asks a question, I'm not going to put them on blast.

If you didn't want to to derail the thread, you shouldn't have written it at all. I couldn't have seen it if it wouldn't have been there. Complain about me callin you out if you want, I could care less

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Originally Posted by dreese88

I don't necessarily want morphs & genetics to be everyone's punnet maker either, but if someone asks a question, I'm not going to put them on blast.

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I've never heard that phrase before but I assume you mean; "you aren't going to blast them". And I wasn't, I was trying to teach them how the genetics of the snakes he owns works.

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Originally Posted by dreese88

If you didn't want to to derail the thread, you shouldn't have written it at all. I couldn't have seen it if it wouldn't have been there. Complain about me callin you out if you want, I could care less

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You derailed the thread bub, not me. If you could care less you'd stop arguing and be an "Adult", instead you chose to make a pointless post that contributed nothing to this thread.

Here's an Idea, now work with me on this. How about instead of "Calling Me Out" and Derailing the thread in the process, why don't you give him what he asked for in the first place? Instead of trying to tell me how to act? I know that's an abstract idea but I'm sure it'll catch on one day.

BTW I gave him his answer in the first post:

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Originally Posted by AaronP

A lot of Bees, Pastels, and Killer Bees..........if you use the search button I guarantee 2, 3, maybe even 10 people have asked this question.

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I have yet to see a post in this thread by you that did something other than attack me. But if that's what helps you sleep at night Dylan, I'll be your whipping boy, everyone's gotta feel special sometimes.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I've never heard that phrase before but I assume you mean; "you aren't going to blast them".

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I know this is reeeeeallllly off topic but...

I believe he DID mean "Put him on blast."

Its kinda like a variant of saying to " Put someone on Front Street" or to try to embarrass someone. LOL

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Originally Posted by AaronP

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Here's an Idea, now work with me on this. How about instead of "Calling Me Out" and Derailing the thread in the process, why don't you give him what he asked for in the first place? Instead of trying to tell me how to act? I know that's an abstract idea but I'm sure it'll catch on one day.

BTW I gave him his answer in the first post:



I have yet to see a post in this thread by you that did something other than attack me. But if that's what helps you sleep at night Dylan, I'll be your whipping boy, everyone's gotta feel special sometimes.

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Hmm...Mr. Palmer, you must have missed this one...1st post 2nd page

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Originally Posted by dreese88

try www.geneticswizard.com ...it's easy to use and you don't need to ask %'s here.

For Killer X Bumble I got

12.5% pastel
12.5% super pastel
25% Bumble Bee
25% Killer Bee
12.5% pastel super spider*
12.5 super pastel super spider*

* - There is a lot of debate whether the super spider exists, so the percentages could change if it doesn't or stay the same if it does.

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Originally Posted by dreese88

Hmm...Mr. Palmer, you must have missed this one...1st post 2nd page

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:rofl:

What would you put in the Morphs and genetics page if it wasn't punnet square related?
That is what the genetics portion is all about right?

Considering if someone was showing off their new morph, they would post it in the bp photo section.

Wow....was that a real apology to me?? Sounded pretty condesending!!

Well to be honest.....if anyone is to be called out for derailing the post I guess that would of been me trying to tell AAron not to be so mean about it and to realize that some people are new at this and some ppl just do not get it.

No big deal I thought!

But AAron please don't act like you only put that on the bottom of your post .....you totally called me out in a post in regards to the spelling of your name. Now I don't know if you took it off or if the admins came in and removed it. I can say it was way out of line and over the top rude.

I realize (and I mean this with no disrespect) that you are still quite young and maybe you have not been taught people skills. But let me tell you....you will get a lot more flies with honey than you do with vinegar (or however you say that quote)lol. Its great that you have a vast knowledge of genetics......and you can choose to try to teach someone respectfully and maybe they will learn from you. Or you can choose to make them feel like idiots and guess what...you will turn them off and they will learn nothing. I myself choose to ignore you as life is way too short and there are way too many people out there that take a much more positive approach!!

Ok with that...I am totally done with this thread!! :salute:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Check it out......

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard

MALE: Pastel Spider
FEMALE: Spider Super Pastel


12.5%: Pastel
12.5%: Pastel, Spider
12.5%: Super Pastel
12.5%: Super Pastel, Spider
12.5%: Spider, Pastel
12.5%: Spider, Pastel
12.5%: Super Pastel, Spider
12.5%: Super Pastel, Spider



Punnet Square:
Pastel Pastel, Spider
Normal Pastel Pastel, Spider
Pastel Super Pastel Super Pastel, Spider
Spider Spider, Pastel Spider, Pastel
Pastel, Spider Super Pastel, Spider Super Pastel, Spider