Baby BP

It looks like I may be geting a few normal baby BP for free frome a local breeder. But frome my understanding he wants me to get them with in 1 day after they hatch. Do I need to have somthing specal set up for them?

A breeder won't usually sell their hatchlings until they have shed and eaten... You might see if you can get him to get them started unles you have experiance starting off BP hatchlings. I'd be careful getting them for free just out of the egg... they may not all eat for you.

I haven't had any hatchlings so I don't know about the set-up, I just thought it was a bit strange to sell them right out of the egg like that.

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Originally Posted by tweets_4611

A breeder won't usually sell their hatchlings until they have shed and eaten... You might see if you can get him to get them started unles you have experiance starting off BP hatchlings. I'd be careful getting them for free just out of the egg... they may not all eat for you.

I haven't had any hatchlings so I don't know about the set-up, I just thought it was a bit strange to sell them right out of the egg like that.

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He usualy kills the ones that are normal looking.

Wow.... wasn't expecting that. In that case take them, give them a good home, and personally, I'd never deal with the guy again.

If you browse the breeding section, or even the husbandry section you should be able to find some threads on setting up a hatchling. If I remember correctly there are a few of the bigger breeders that have how they set up their hatchings on their websites. You could also email some of the people that have been in the business for a long time.

What the? Who is this person so that I may avoid buying any ball pythons from him/her in the future? Please tell me that it's very, very unusual for a breeder to do this! :(

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Originally Posted by GoBoilers

What the? Who is this person so that I may avoid buying any ball pythons from him/her in the future? Please tell me that it's very, very unusual for a breeder to do this! :(

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I dont no but frome my understanding he offers them for free if no takers come along he puts them in bags in the Freezers tell trash day.

Wow, that's horrible. :tears:

That is the worst thing I have ever herd of. Killing them just because they are not a morph.

I was at his place last night and it stunk and was kinda a run down looking set up. Do I need to worry the BP will have any truble mites or what not being just out of the egg?

I don't think you would have a problem with mites straight out of the egg.

From what you're describing about this breeder, I would NEVER do business with him. I guess take the free normals off his hands so he doesn't kill them...

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Originally Posted by Mitch21

From what you're describing about this breeder, I would NEVER do business with him. I guess take the free normals off his hands so he doesn't kill them...

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You guess:confused: Do you think somthing may be wrong with them?

I doubt there is anything wrong with them he just doesn't want to spend money to feed them because they aren't worth much. But they are still a living creature and you should not just kill them because they are less valuable than a morph.

It sucks the thank you dose not show it as you read and or even posted on this.

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Originally Posted by PCG Aquariums

He usualy kills the ones that are normal looking.

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Tell that guy to go stuff HIMSELF! YOU DONT KILL YOUR CLUTCH NORMAL OR MORPH! THATS WRONG!

That is really sad and it really makes me furious!!! Take them all...talk to some of the other breeders on here and they can tell you what to do. If you have to many...feel free to send them my way. I have plenty of ppl that would want and love a normal. Elizabeth has been quite the ball ambassador around here. I think I have a normal "waiting list" of my sons friends that come over and help me take care of my snakes on a daily basis that want one sooooo bad....and they are getting trained on how to take care of them.

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

That is really sad and it really makes me furious!!! Take them all...talk to some of the other breeders on here and they can tell you what to do. If you have to many...feel free to send them my way. I have plenty of ppl that would want and love a normal. Elizabeth has been quite the ball ambassador around here. I think I have a normal "waiting list" of my sons friends that come over and help me take care of my snakes on a daily basis that want one sooooo bad....and they are getting trained on how to take care of them.

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Well I will talk to him and see what he wants to do and if you pay shiping I will send them do you think they be ok to ship so soon or will I need to hold them tell they are older.

I am not sure how the shipping thing works at all. But I would pay for them to be shipped to me. I think it is HORRIBLE that he kills them. Poor babies!

If someone else can give you some info on it....I am all for it. That is just such a bad bad business practice. I would never buy a snake from him. I will assist in saving the others...but I hope that I never come accross him.

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

I am not sure how the shipping thing works at all. But I would pay for them to be shipped to me. I think it is HORRIBLE that he kills them. Poor babies!

If someone else can give you some info on it....I am all for it. That is just such a bad bad business practice. I would never buy a snake from him. I will assist in saving the others...but I hope that I never come accross him.

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Well I talk to him to night and he will not give me ones to send off he rather kill them then let some one actually get a hold of his morph line and start breeding them:confused:. I ask him why he is giving me the ones then and he told me because I dont no crap about snakes so he dose not worry about me.

Oye i would like to........(ok can't say that on here)

I have been into this for a whole 3 months....I am hardly a breeder nor do I know anything at this point in regards to breeding. I would be giving these snakes a home with local children that are learning from me how to take care of them. Some of them already have corns.....

Anyways...I would think and maybe I am wrong here that what he is doing is an animal cruelty thing and is illegal. But that could just be my wishful thinking!!!

It seems like you could take legal action for the benefit of the snakes and what ever else he might have. But I dont realy know the guy or whats realy going on so, so find out more and decide... :twocents:

:tears: Can't believe someone would do this!!!:colbert:..take the lil ones and find good homes for them,i'm sure there is PLENTY of people in this site that would care for them wether normals or morph's!!!!....:colbert:

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Originally Posted by Danounet

It seems like you could take legal action for the benefit of the snakes and what ever else he might have. But I dont realy know the guy or whats realy going on so, so find out more and decide... :twocents:

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Agree!!!!!!!!!!

Hi,

If he was giving you a normal what "morph lines" is he so worried about?

He doesn't sound like someone I would want to support in the buisness - quite the opposite in fact. :mad:

Frankly I would wish him a whole nest of hemorrhoids and burn his number. :rolleyes:


dr del

Just take them all and don't tell him that you are giving them away. Keep them until they feed 3 times then you can ship! Good luck!

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Hi,

If he was giving you a normal what "morph lines" is he so worried about?

He doesn't sound like someone I would want to support in the buisness - quite the opposite in fact. :mad:

Frankly I would wish him a whole nest of hemorrhoids and burn his number. :rolleyes:


dr del

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I dont no to much about the hole morph line stuff:confused: So I dont know what all he has in mind. As far as what he is willing to give me is only 3 snakes he dose not no that I wanted to send them to ppl. I just told him I new some others that like a few normal bp also.

Find out his name so we can ruin his business opportunities in the snake world.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Find out his name so we can ruin his business opportunities in the snake world.

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As crapy as the guy is I am not one to just give out a name. Stuff you come his way in time. Frome what I see in the co law he is looking at big fines and jail time.

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Originally Posted by PCG Aquariums

As crapy as the guy is I am not one to just give out a name. Stuff you come his way in time. Frome what I see in the co law he is looking at big fines and jail time.

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Sometimes it's better to give out a name. In this hobby it's a good idea to let everyone know what they're dealing with before they get involved to avoid scamming or other problems.
Stuff may come his way in time over legalities, but that won't stop him from selling certain animals online to unknowing costumers.

I have actually run into people like this before. They are bastages and there is nothing you can do. They are in this 100% for the money and untill they end up in jail they wont stop. These people are criminals and scammers. They sell misrepresented and unhealthy animals. I put them in the same catagory as Flippers who buy and sell in mass quantities with zero reguard to the animals health. Most of them die before they are even sold.
The only reason to cull baby snakes is when they are severly deformed or they are waterheads.Hehe waterheads.
Find out this persons name and we can check the BOI to see if anyone else knows him. Maybe we can ruin his name in the industry or get him to change his ways.
People like this dont deserve pets.
Im typing mad right now i better stop before before i get an infraction.

Forget about just "not dealing with the guy" anymore - REPORT his *bleeping* butt to the police and aim for animal cruelty charges. The ONLY authority a breeder has to 'euthanize' any animal, is if it has a life-threatening defect and/or is suffering.

Hearing about people like this almost - ALMOST - makes me wish global warming would come along faster. Sure, all the honest and good people would die too, but least people like HIM would be gone. God, I wish I knew his address...

That guy sounds like a real scumbag! If you end up saving any of his normals feel free to PM me and I will try to help you get them set up. I don't have a TON of experience with babies, but we have a bit of experience with babies that don't want to start eating, and I could at least help you with setting up their tubs and things like that.

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Originally Posted by PythonChick

That guy sounds like a real scumbag! If you end up saving any of his normals feel free to PM me and I will try to help you get them set up. I don't have a TON of experience with babies, but we have a bit of experience with babies that don't want to start eating, and I could at least help you with setting up their tubs and things like that.

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Well thanks for the offer as far as tubs I will be building acrylic tanks out of black acrylic with a clear front that slides up and down to open and close it.

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Originally Posted by PCG Aquariums

Well thanks for the offer as far as tubs I will be building acrylic tanks out of black acrylic with a clear front that slides up and down to open and close it.

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That sounds pretty awesome! I wish I was that crafty/generally talented with building things. If you are building larger tanks then you may still want to start them in tubs until they are feeding well, or subdivide the tank space somehow. Baby ball pythons like SMALL spaces.

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Originally Posted by PythonChick

That sounds pretty awesome! I wish I was that crafty/generally talented with building things. If you are building larger tanks then you may still want to start them in tubs until they are feeding well, or subdivide the tank space somehow. Baby ball pythons like SMALL spaces.

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I will be building the tanks to start 16"x16"x7" then after they get bigger I will be building the 2'x2'x9" then I will let them live out in a 4'x4'x12' In less you have a better size.

I'd NEVER Do ANY business with such a person!

I WOULD report him to every organization I could and take his name to the BOI.

He's practicing animal cruelty and is obviously ONLY worried about the MONEY.

Shame on him.

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Originally Posted by PCG Aquariums

I will be building the tanks to start 16"x16"x7" then after they get bigger I will be building the 2'x2'x9" then I will let them live out in a 4'x4'x12' In less you have a better size.

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a 4x4 is way to big for a ball python. Largest I would go is the dimensions of a 30g breeder tank.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

a 4x4 is way to big for a ball python. Largest I would go is the dimensions of a 30g breeder tank.

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Even for a full size bp?

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

I'd NEVER Do ANY business with such a person!

I WOULD report him to every organization I could and take his name to the BOI.

He's practicing animal cruelty and is obviously ONLY worried about the MONEY.

Shame on him.

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ok totally a newbe question. What does BOI stand for?

Im with every one else. Regardless of color they should not be killed because they do not bring in top dollar.:mad:

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Originally Posted by PCG Aquariums

Even for a full size bp?

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Yeah. They like smaller spaces. You could have an enclosure that size but it would be hard to heat and cool and it would be very difficult to maintain. Let alone more than one of them.

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Originally Posted by ballmom

ok totally a newbe question. What does BOI stand for?

Im with every one else. Regardless of color they should not be killed because they do not bring in top dollar.:mad:

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Hey remember if you don't have the capacity to take care of them I have 3 12 year old that are interested. They all have had a little experience working with my snakes. They all live by me as well so I can help them get set up. Only if you need it though!

And I have to agree with everyone else...report him. If anything you can do it anonymously (ok I totally spelled that wrong) ....but you get what I am saying!!