Polar Ball

Is the Polar ball the only Leucistic combo that has a visual pattern also?

Depending on what you mean by Luecistic... The Special is on the same Allele as the Mojave (which produces a white snake with a gray head) and produces a very nice looking orange colored snake!
Super Special...
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/j...g?t=1256578083
Special...
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/j...g?t=1256577972

Thats a nice looking snake... It fits the bill.

Oooo that super special is awesome!!!! Man I want a special!

WOW, that is the first time I have seen the super special. :O

I had been wondering if they proved it co-dom. I definitely need a special, spector, and mystic to add to my collection. :gj:

What im wondering is how do you tell a special, fire, and vanilla apart if they are hatchlings? They all look so much alike with less melanin, lip spots, head spot.

I chose mine because they are great examples of these morphs and are easy to tell from one another. Especially my female fire which has orange flames near her tail. My vanilla is very light in color. But wow the pic of that special sure looks alot like my fire male.

Thats why ive been hesitant to get a special.

I've never heard of a "special" before. Where have I been? :confused:
Really like that super!

Tom... was the "super special" bred from special x special, or from special combo x special..? (as in crystal x special) :rolleye2:

:rolleye2:how many times can the word special be used in one question:weirdface:banana:

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Originally Posted by PaseQB

Is the Polar ball the only Leucistic combo that has a visual pattern also?

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if you count the ivory as a leucistic, then there is an albino ivory :gj:

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Originally Posted by PaseQB

Is the Polar ball the only Leucistic combo that has a visual pattern also?

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problem is if its a "true" Leucistic, it wouldn't have any pattern or color, just white, so yea... like they said, define lucy.

I think the polar is a vin russo lucy (they have some patch on them) + albino !

Yea, Vin Russo produced it but the question is:
Can you only produce it with the russo line or can you produce one with either a Lesser, mojo or butter?

I would say that you can only produce it with a russo line. Or at least a line that produce pattern patch.

The lesser and mojo lucy all produce white snakes, if you add albino to it, you will still have a white snake with red eyes I presume. But I don't think it's have been done.

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Originally Posted by Watever

I think the polar is a vin russo lucy (they have some patch on them) + albino !

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Yep that is the polar ball http://www.cuttingedgeherp.com/nss-f...olarBallsm.jpg

Baby luecistics out of the egg are more pink than white, as they get older the pink becomes white, so who's to say that the Polar ball as an adult won't be a totally white snake with red eyes.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

problem is if its a "true" Leucistic, it wouldn't have any pattern or color, just white, so yea... like they said, define lucy.

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Leucistic- Appearing as white. Absence of pigment (melanophores and xanthophores) through out the body with the exception if the animals iris; usually a solid white animal with black or blue eyes. Beautiful Snake.

I've seen some Super Mojaves with some pattern still visible....

I think I gotta get me one of them! What happens when you breed a Mojave to a special, would you get some form of a super?
Mike Kelly

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Originally Posted by mfkelly

I think I gotta get me one of them! What happens when you breed a Mojave to a special, would you get some form of a super?
Mike Kelly

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You get a Crystal.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=95248

First off I want to say thanks for the compliments on the Super Special!
Draigess,
I only own one Fire, but she is much cleaner than a Special... I also dont have much experience with Vanillas, but there was a well known breeder (still is) that marketed his Vanillas as Crystal makers... I thought, you never know, maybe Vanillas are (they look similar) Specials??? That year at Daytona I saw so many Vanilla Mojaves it blew my mind!:P I thought that was a very odd marketing technique!:weirdface
farrier,
The Super Special was produced from breeding a Pastel Crystal to a Special.
mfkelly,
As rabernet posted, when you breed a Special to a Mojave you get a Crystal! Here is a fresh hatchling...
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/j...g?t=1256696310

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Originally Posted by Python Dreams

First off I want to say thanks for the compliments on the Super Special!
Draigess,
I only own one Fire, but she is much cleaner than a Special... I also dont have much experience with Vanillas, but there was a well known breeder (still is) that marketed his Vanillas as Crystal makers... I thought, you never know, maybe Vanillas are (they look similar) Specials??? That year at Daytona I saw so many Vanilla Mojaves it blew my mind!:P I thought that was a very odd marketing technique!:weirdface
farrier,
The Super Special was produced from breeding a Pastel Crystal to a Special.
mfkelly,
As rabernet posted, when you breed a Special to a Mojave you get a Crystal! Here is a fresh hatchling...
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/j...g?t=1256696310

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Tom, I still can't get over how wicked insane that is! :gj:

MAN, I really want one of those. *cry*

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Originally Posted by Python Dreams

farrier,
The Super Special was produced from breeding a Pastel Crystal to a Special.

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do you think the pastel or mojo have infuenced the super specials pattern/color in anyway? I LOVE the look of the super special so am curious:D

Have you tried breeding regular ol' spectres together to see if there is a (different) super....?

I'm wishing i could find a spectre over here :(

farrier,
When breeding a Crystal, you will produce either Specials or Mojaves, no normals.... I originally thought the Mojave played a part in the Super Special (called it the Super Crystal), but after realizing that Mojave and Specials are on the same allele, it is not possible...
I do know that Pastels influence the Super Special since I have produced a Pastel Super Special twice now.
I have not bred Specters together, but I am thinking about looking for them sometime in the near future! Where are you located?
Pastel Super Special Hatchling and Yearling...
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/j...g?t=1256776017