My annoyance on genetic ignorance.

Dont worry. This isnt an all out bashing. Im just noticing a disturbing number of people that do not know the correct ingredients for certain morphs. Yet they are not aware that the info they have is wrong. So they continue to pass on wrong info to other people interested in breeding.

The major problem i have with this is people will then believe the info they recieved and when they do produce offspring, they are going to advertise it wrong. Then other uneducated or uninformed people will buy this morph believing it to be one thing, when it is in fact, a completely different morph than what it was sold as.. They will be "breeding" more uneducated people by passing on this wrong info.

Right here on this forum we have stickies that tell you most of the known morphs and the combo/combos used to produce them. I hope more people who are still learning will actually read these posts and do more research before claiming they know this morph. There is also a great book called The Complete Ball Python. Not to mention many top breeders who are more than willing to talk to people who are interested.

Many members here are notorious for correcting or bashing people who they feel is wrong. But in the case of properly identifying a certain BP morph, & then passing on that info, i believe these members should be givin kudos for all the correcting they do. As long as they are right. Without them this hobby/business would suffer.

I agree with you 100% and then some. I have seen way to many times people who have not even bred a single year give out breeding advice and combo advice when they have no actual clue what is goin on or what they are talking about. I am more annoyed by the ignorance passed along than anything else. I wish people would take the time to learn the hobby and then give advice and not just repeat what the person in the last 45 posts already said and claim it as their own advice. If I keep going this is going to be realy long so I am going to stop.

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Originally Posted by tattlife2001

I agree with you 100% and then some. I have seen way to many times people who have not even bred a single year give out breeding advice and combo advice when they have no actual clue what is goin on or what they are talking about. I am more annoyed by the ignorance passed along than anything else. I wish people would take the time to learn the hobby and then give advice and not just repeat what the person in the last 45 posts already said and claim it as their own advice. If I keep going this is going to be realy long so I am going to stop.

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I've yet to breed anything but i have a very good understanding of basic genetics. And i try to give answers to the people that post these kind of topics as a test for myself to make sure i'm getting the combos and genetics right. But i am one of those people who never stops researching something they love.

But i do agree with what you're saying. I feel that someone giving the wrong info on THIS forum is quickly corrected because there are so many knowledgeable members.

Just don't mistake people asking questions about genetics in a post for them trying to tell everyone that they're right.

When someone is wrong, make a point to correct them, because they may think that they're right and if you don't do anything to politely correct them, they won't know the proper genetics.

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Originally Posted by tattlife2001

I agree with you 100% and then some. I have seen way to many times people who have not even bred a single year give out breeding advice and combo advice when they have no actual clue what is goin on or what they are talking about. I am more annoyed by the ignorance passed along than anything else. I wish people would take the time to learn the hobby and then give advice and not just repeat what the person in the last 45 posts already said and claim it as their own advice. If I keep going this is going to be realy long so I am going to stop.

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lol yep. Sometimes its best to stop or we get infractions!!

But anyway.. This came about when i read a thread where someone asked what goes into making a certain morph. I saw more than one answer that was completely wrong. Thankfully more than one person corrected the people who were wrong. If id seen that thread sooner i would have been the one making the first correction since the morph in question is one im working on producing right now.

Also just go look at some adds on kingsnake. Its not very common but once in awhile you will see a ball advertised as one thing but in the picture it is clearly another. Im not sure how this happens. Its either got to be scammers trying to take advantage of the new people wanting BP's, or "breedeers" who simply dont know what they are producing. Either way. Its a very bad thing.

Sadly mis-information is found outside the confines of forums every day. There are two pet-shops in my town. The one I do business with is knowledgeable & knows the basics on morphs, the other place is busy telling folks all the wrong stuff.

Example: they've been telling customers that you can get a visual from breeding a recessive het- to a normal BP. That's how WRONG they are! No amount of talking to them is changing their ill-advice either.

The guy at the shop works for the local zoo (scary ain't it?) & thinks he's a bleedin' authority on all critters. Just because you can feed 'em don't mean you know thing 1 about breeding them, say I. :taz:

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Just don't mistake people asking questions about genetics in a post for them trying to tell everyone that they're right.

When someone is wrong, make a point to correct them, because they may think that they're right and if you don't do anything to politely correct them, they won't know the proper genetics.

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Oh no.. I dont ever look down on someone for asking a question. I applaud them. There is no dumb question and we have all been there at some point. Im no expert by far. I too have read books, researched online, personally talked to & befriended many breeders. Constantly trying to learn more. What bothers me is people will answer these questions and give wrong answers.

I dont mean an opinion either. I mean giving a genetically wrong answer. Like saying the american flag is red white and yellow.. Thats not an opinion. Its a wrong answer. Thats what i mean.

I dont mistake qustion & opinions for factual or wrong answers.

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Originally Posted by Draigess

Oh no.. I dont ever look down on someone for asking a question. I applaud them. There is no dumb question and we have all been there at some point. Im no expert by far. I too have read books, researched online, personally talked to & befriended many breeders. Constantly trying to learn more. What bothers me is people will answer these questions and give wrong answers.

I dont mean an opinion either. I mean giving a genetically wrong answer. Like saying the american flag is red white and yellow.. Thats not an opinion. Its a wrong answer. Thats what i mean.

I dont mistake qustion & opinions for factual or wrong answers.

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Well, being forgiving is part of this hobby too. No one is perfect, and people can make mistakes sometimes. I know I have. ;)

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Originally Posted by NorthernRegius

Sadly mis-information is found outside the confines of forums every day. There are two pet-shops in my town. The one I do business with is knowledgeable & knows the basics on morphs, the other place is busy telling folks all the wrong stuff.

Example: they've been telling customers that you can get a visual from breeding a recessive het- to a normal BP. That's how WRONG they are! No amount of talking to them is changing their ill-advice either.

The guy at the shop works for the local zoo (scary ain't it?) & thinks he's a bleedin' authority on all critters. Just because you can feed 'em don't mean you know thing 1 about breeding them, say I. :taz:

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I bet you they (or someone there) knows how wrong they are. Problem is they see so much potential in BP's right now. The interest has skyrocketed and breeding and genetic interest has as well. They only see $$$ when they pass on info like that.

Man i wish i wasnt out of the circuit for so long. I got back into at a bad time it seems :taz:

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Originally Posted by NorthernRegius

Sadly mis-information is found outside the confines of forums every day. There are two pet-shops in my town. The one I do business with is knowledgeable & knows the basics on morphs, the other place is busy telling folks all the wrong stuff.

Example: they've been telling customers that you can get a visual from breeding a recessive het- to a normal BP. That's how WRONG they are! No amount of talking to them is changing their ill-advice either.

The guy at the shop works for the local zoo (scary ain't it?) & thinks he's a bleedin' authority on all critters. Just because you can feed 'em don't mean you know thing 1 about breeding them, say I. :taz:

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If and when I work at a zoo in my future (I hope to) there won't be any of that talk around me!

Well if the person was half intelligent they would not take all their knowledge from one source. But this advice should be taken with any hobby you are interested in.

But like Cinder said, people who give out wrong advice on this form are quickly corrected which i think also has its advantages because not only does the OP gain knolowledge but also the poster who had his info wrong.

One thing to keep in mind is that the more varied our morphs become...the more blended they become....the more often we have different names for the same morph...and even the same name for different morphs....the worse it's going to get. Is it any wonder that people are going to get it mixed up???

I'm all for polite correction when it happens. The best we can do is educate one answer and correction at a time. And the more those of us who know are WILLING to keep doing those corrections and answering those questions...the better off we are. The folks who avoid the forums because of the misinformation found in them are at least in part responsible for not being willing to help hold back the flood of misinformation.

I agree With JLC People Should not be bashed. Be polite and Professional. Do not drive away newcomers or create hate with each other...

If you do not have anything nice to say do not say anything at all. ^_^

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Originally Posted by cornball252

I agree With JLC People Should not be bashed. Be polite and Professional. Do not drive away newcomers or create hate with each other...

If you do not have anything nice to say do not say anything at all. ^_^

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Or double check your own info before trying to correct others as well. ;)

Ah lol

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/silbul08_1rdr2.jpg

My apologies!! I was like what the heck. Ive produced Silver streaks! cant believe it didnt register in my head....

But yea aside from that... I'm wrong... for once lol.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Or double check your own info before trying to correct others as well. ;)

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HAHAH Fair enough!:rolleye2::gj:

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Originally Posted by NorthernRegius

Example: they've been telling customers that you can get a visual from breeding a recessive het- to a normal BP. That's how WRONG they are! No amount of talking to them is changing their ill-advice either.

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I was recently talking to a local would-be BP breeder who was thinking of buying a het ghost male from another local breeder. He asked me (pretty much direct quote): "Now, I asked him [the seller] this and he just wouldn't give me a straight answer: If I breed the het ghost to a normal female, how many ghosts would I get?"

I asked him if the theoretical normal female was het ghost, and he said no. He seemed pretty disappointed when I told him, "None."

There's no doubt in my mind that the seller of the het ghost knew EXACTLY how many ghosts you get from breeding a het ghost to a normal; he just knew that telling the buyer that wouldn't make him a sale.

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

I was recently talking to a local would-be BP breeder who was thinking of buying a het ghost male from another local breeder. He asked me (pretty much direct quote): "Now, I asked him [the seller] this and he just wouldn't give me a straight answer: If I breed the het ghost to a normal female, how many ghosts would I get?"

I asked him if the theoretical normal female was het ghost, and he said no. He seemed pretty disappointed when I told him, "None."

There's no doubt in my mind that the seller of the het ghost knew EXACTLY how many ghosts you get from breeding a het ghost to a normal; he just knew that telling the buyer that wouldn't make him a sale.

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In a case like that i hope your friend didnt buy the het ghost. If you ask a question about the animal for sale and the breeder does not give you an answer, thats just as bad as giving the wrong answer. Makes me wonder how many people out there have been duped into buying hets and got normals. The biggest problem i see with that is the over abundance of normals. Another problem is how to classify that animal. How do you know if you were sold an actual het animal that you just keep hitting bad odds on, or if its really just a normal? Then your stuck with something you cant sell for more than a normal even if it IS a het.

The people purposely passing on wrong info or lying about their animals are the ones i have an issue with. The ones that ask questions and try to educate theirselves are going to be the better breeders/keepers.

The ones who answer a question wrong should not take it to heart if they are corrected. They should learn from it and stick around to learn more. I agree that people should not bash, but correcting someone in an intelligent and nice way should always be done.

Guilty! I recently responded to a post on a silver bullet breeding.
I stated normals could be produced. BUT, a silver bullet is a pastel super cinny/black pastel. No normal potential.!!!
If some one is going to be breeding in the future they definately need to familiarize themselves with the morphs and combos. I suggest starting online and purchasing books like: Designer Morphs by John Berry.

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Originally Posted by Jason Bowden

Guilty! I recently responded to a post on a silver bullet breeding.
I stated normals could be produced. BUT, a silver bullet is a pastel super cinny/black pastel. No normal potential.!!!
If some one is going to be breeding in the future they definately need to familiarize themselves with the morphs and combos. I suggest starting online and purchasing books like: Designer Morphs by John Berry.

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LOL! Were you corrected?? See? Some people can laugh at theirselves about it and that shows the rest of us that you are not like some of the people who would never admit they were wrong. Not to mention it makes us feel a bit better about our own mistakes we might have made ;)

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Originally Posted by Draigess

In a case like that i hope your friend didnt buy the het ghost. If you ask a question about the animal for sale and the breeder does not give you an answer, thats just as bad as giving the wrong answer. Makes me wonder how many people out there have been duped into buying hets and got normals. The biggest problem i see with that is the over abundance of normals. Another problem is how to classify that animal. How do you know if you were sold an actual het animal that you just keep hitting bad odds on, or if its really just a normal? Then your stuck with something you cant sell for more than a normal even if it IS a het.

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I don't know if he did. I hope not. I advised him against it ... Both because it isn't a terribly worthwhile breeding, IMO (50% possible hets, yipee) and because the seller was probably being dishonest. (I mean, who knows -- maybe the kid kept asking him, and the seller kept saying, "None," and he just didn't get it -- but it didn't sound that way.)

I'd imagine there are hundreds if not thousands of people who have been duped into buying "fake hets," whether it was from a seller who was utterly ignorant (i.e., someone who doesn't get genetics who genuinely thinks that the normals out of a pastel x breeding are all "het pastel") or just knowingly dishonest. Aside from the multi-thousand dollar "fake het" scams that you read about every so often on the BOI, I gotta believe there's at least a few hundred dollars' worth of local, small-scale, dishonest "het-related" snake transactions going on every week -- at least.

It sucks, but when you take something most people don't know a lot about -- Mendelian genetics -- and throw in the potential to make or scam money off of folks -- you're gonna get this crap. :(