If you think the idea of banning PITS is redic...

If you think banning rotties and pits is ridiculous...I was looking up if pits are actually banned in Chicago, and I see that there is a town here in IL that is trying to ban all dogs over 15 lbs!!!!
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......really? :rolleye2::rage::rolleye2::rage:


Reason I am looking: I really want to adopt this girlie: http://www.adoptapet.com/pet1405329.html :please:

That is rediculous! People are just insane nowadays.. It's the people who make the dogs mean, and ruin their rep.

Bans make me :mad:


She is beautiful, good luck with the adoption! :)

Redic 100%...They better not ban in the NW Burbs because I'm bringing my boy out from the West Coast in Spring...He's a beautiful Red Nose and I can't wait to have him again...

IDK but I do think owners should be forced to go to dog training with certin breeds, This will help create better dogs/owners in the end.Also only qualified breeders should be allowed to breed well bred dogs ,all other fixed that way it would elimanate alot of issues with inborn agression.

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Originally Posted by rebeccabecca

IDK but I do think owners should be forced to go to dog training with certin breeds, This will help create better dogs/owners in the end.Also only qualified breeders should be allowed to breed well bred dogs ,all other fixed that way it would elimanate alot of issues with inborn agression.

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ALL dog owners should train their dogs, not just certain or dangerous breeds.

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

ALL dog owners should train their dogs, not just certain or dangerous breeds.

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Yep! Isn't it that there are more attacks from labs than pits? ..but people don't like to hear that. :rolleyes:

rebeccabecca: It might help, but who's paying for these training classes? Most instances I've heard of regarding attacks happening have been with people that neglect and don't have very much money to care for their animal. Highly doubt they're going to go out and pay hundreds-thousands of dollars for training, they will just buy the dog in a non-legit fashion. Government funded? :rofl: Everyone will just complain about tax hikes. It won't work, but that's not exactly where this thread is goin. We're here to complain that it's crazy to ban any dog over pits, and especially dogs over 15lbs...that's just....wow...:rolleye2:

I think there's a place in Ohio that bans dogs over a certain size, like 50 pounds? OH is really bad for BSL though. Italy used to have a whole ton of breeds banned, like corgis even but they repealed it due to ineffectiveness. A lot of places have huskies and dobes banned as well.

Cute dog though, I love her ears! That was my only "must" in adopting our second one, he had to have ears since our first has a bad home crop job. These are my two
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...edogpic007.jpg

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Originally Posted by HypoPita

Yep! Isn't it that there are more attacks from labs than pits? ..but people don't like to hear that. :rolleyes:

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There is one good argument that hurts pits.

Some 90% of dog-related fatalities in the US are caused by pits.

It's not because they're "more aggressive", it's just that they are stronger and deadlier when they do attack.

Just like with pythons, there are thousands of bites to people, but most are from small baby snakes and aren't more than a pinprick.

However I still do not agree with breed-banning of any sort.

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Originally Posted by GoingPostal

I think there's a place in Ohio that bans dogs over a certain size, like 50 pounds? OH is really bad for BSL though. Italy used to have a whole ton of breeds banned, like corgis even but they repealed it due to ineffectiveness. A lot of places have huskies and dobes banned as well.

Cute dog though, I love her ears! That was my only "must" in adopting our second one, he had to have ears since our first has a bad home crop job.

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Beautiful dogs! :gj:

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

There is one good argument that hurts pits.

Some 90% of dog-related fatalities in the US are caused by pits.

It's not because they're "more aggressive", it's just that they are stronger and deadlier when they do attack.

Just like with pythons, there are thousands of bites to people, but most are from small baby snakes and aren't more than a pinprick.

However I still do not agree with breed-banning of any sort.

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Thanks for brining that up. I do see the logic in some of the pro-BSL people, but I still don't agree that animals should be banned because they are "more aggressive" or "do more damage." The former being straight bs. The latter is a VERY slippery slope. Like a slip-n-slide with baby oil + a hovercraft. Me getting hit by a ford Excursion is more likely to kill me than getting hit by a geo, while driving. We should ban those too. :gj: Well, then grand prixs do more damage than compact cars...lets get rid of those too. :rolleyes: Since I have almost 90lbs on anyone at my school, I could in theory do drastically more damage if I were to fight one of them than the average Joe there could. Are we going to restrict me too? Some areas have more crime by minorities, are we going to restrict their reproduction? This gets a little ridiculous if you apply the same logic to other areas. :colbert:

I was talking to one of the ladies in our management office at my apartment today about any breed restrictions in the buildings.

Animals that are banned here: "No animals prohibited by applicable law and, in addition, no reptiles, rabbits, ferrits, monkeys or other exotic or undomesticated animals of any kind will be accepted. Management, in its sole judgment, may refuse any type of pet. Resident must give prior approval of all pets before admittance"

"-All dogs must be housebroken.
-Restricted breeds: German Shepherd, Doberman Pincher, Rottweilers, Bloodhounds, Pit Bulls, and Chow-Chows.
-All dogs must be spayed or neutered, have distemper and rabies shots and be licensed."
There is also a 250 deposit, and 20 pr mth extra on rent.

Convo went something like this: (both of us being playful not mean)
"so how come we can't have pits?"
"cuz they're scary"
"haha how are they scary??"
"they're big!"
"what do you mean big? They weigh like 68lbs!"
"but their heads are like...the size of my..their heads are so big!"
"*laugh*"
"and they scare people"
"lol people scared by them are scared of most dogs!"
"haha yea I know...it's stupid...I don't know why we have that.."

I asked her if the same goes for mixes and she said she wasn't sure and asked me what it was mixed with again (American Staffie). Apparently she has an aunt that has one and she said they are really nice dogs, and maybe if they are mixed with that, and look more like that, Mya (one in charge) might just let me have it. She told me to print out the pictures and stuff and bring them in to talk to Mya about it, maybe they'd just record it as an AStaffie.

On a side note, I don't think the old management told them (we just got new management) that I have snakes. They made a huge exception to the rule for me. Basically that I get depression and having animals is therapeutic to me, and since I am allergic to cats and dogs, snakes are all that I can really have.

Sidenote2: Why am I looking for a dog then? Well, my friend has three dogs, two of them are lab/bull mixes, and after playing with them for hours and literally rubbing my face on them, I didn't have even the most minute reaction; whereas being in the same room with my parents german shepherd sets my skin on fire. So maybe I CAN have a dog, without the allergies. I would test this out very well, of course; if my allergies bother me, I won't get her. If it starts to bother me after I adopt the dog, I'll go get allergy meds and shots. I miss having a dog so much, miss having somethin to come home to, and to cheer me up. I don't get that from snakes.

"Because they are big" Lol! Most people don't know what a true pit bull is even supposed to look like, they think pits are a 100+ pound monster with huge heads. Mine are 50 and 55 pounds with perfectly normal sized heads for the breed. I love how many people honestly believe they either have "locking" jaws or some magical amount of jaw pressure that other dogs don't.

Bad ownership and parenting cause the vast majority of "attacks" and seeing how most fatal attacks are on kids it really doesn't matter how big the dog is, heck that one baby got killed by a 6 week old puppy because they left them alone together and the puppy chewed like puppies do. But nobody ever seems to blame the parents.

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Originally Posted by GoingPostal

But nobody ever seems to blame the parents.

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...but...but...but....that would imply that THEY could also be responsible for something bad happening through their own negligence! :colbert:

what I find funny too is that Staffies aren't really that much different in stature or behavior, and could be confused for eachother by everyday people.

....buuuuut it's okay for me to have an astaffie but not pitbull :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

There is one good argument that hurts pits.

Some 90% of dog-related fatalities in the US are caused by pits.

It's not because they're "more aggressive", it's just that they are stronger and deadlier when they do attack.

Just like with pythons, there are thousands of bites to people, but most are from small baby snakes and aren't more than a pinprick.

However I still do not agree with breed-banning of any sort.

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See, that is where many people are wrong... 90% of dog-related fatalities in the US are caused by bully breed like dogs.

The majority of people can't actually pick a pit out of a group of dogs. If someone can't tell the difference in different breeds when they are all behaving well, they definitely aren't going to take the time to stop and think about what kind of dog it was that just bit them.

We used to have two full blood pits, but they had both their ears and tails, and no one ever know what they were. They were on the smaller side, and we had people ask all the time what they were. There was actually a woman that was letting her son pet my girl, and we were talking. At some point she asked what kind of dog she was. When I told her she was a pit, the woman snatched her son, and dragged him away. Not two seconds earlier she was talking about how pretty and well behaved my girl was! But now that she knew the dog was a pit, she was a horribly dangerous dog! People amaze me.

There are so many people that thing my friends dogs are pits, and they are Borbel mixes... much bigger than any actual pit. I have also seen someone call an English Bull dog a pit.... o.O They all have big shoulders and thick heads, obviously they are pits.

And I may be wrong, but I had also thought that there isn't an actual "pit bull", but that they were just a collection of breeds (Staforshire Terriers, and American Bull dogs, and such) that were similar...

Well, the ultimate goal of a lot of these wackos is to not allow anyone to keep any kinds of pets or livestock because they might get abused/mistreated/eaten. So I'm not surprised someone's trying to ban bigger dogs first. Sorta like how they're going after us herp people; it's easier to get things banned that aren't tiny and cute and cuddly.

On the BSL debate, I'm torn. I love pits, I really do. When I worked rescue in New Mexico, we had so many come through the pound that had been fought, beaten, stabbed, and one poor dog had his mouth duct-taped shut and was left in the middle of nowhere to die. None of them showed an ounce of aggression towards me. Mr. Duct-Tape's face will haunt me forever as one of the sweetest, most trusting faces I've ever encountered. His scars told the story of a long life of dog-fighting, and so he was euthanized without a chance for adoption.

That said, in a society with somewhere in the ballpark of 70 million dogs, it's tough keeping a breed around that is still being bred to fight and kill other dogs. I have seen pits turn on other dogs without notice or provocation, and they don't have the same instinct to stop that other dogs do. A couple of my neighbors used to let their dogs play together, an Australian shepherd and a pit. These two dogs played together since the pit was a puppy, and always seemed to get along fine. One day, the pit just attacked the Aussie, and ripped out its throat before either owner could do anything.

There are some really good breeders of bully breeds out there, but anyone rescuing a pit from the pound should be very, very careful. Dog fighting is still a huge underground sport, and odds are decent that a rescue pit comes from a fighting bloodline. IMO, I wouldn't trust these dogs around other dogs any more than I'd trust a Jack Russell around a pet rat, or a greyhound around my favorite pet rabbit. It's in their breeding to kill, and training can only do so much to overcome genetics.

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Originally Posted by tweets_4611

And I may be wrong, but I had also thought that there isn't an actual "pit bull", but that they were just a collection of breeds (Staforshire Terriers, and American Bull dogs, and such) that were similar...

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there are staffordshire terriers, then there are American pit bull terriers. American bulldogs are a seperate breed, they're much larger. Mine is a little over 100 lbs, big ole baby ha

I'd rather have a dog aggressive dog than a human aggressive one. It's not difficult to keep a dog contained or on a leash. A lady on another forum has a Fila and a APBT and people are afraid of the pit but always want to pet her "bloodhound". Most people don't know a dangerous dog if it's standing right in front of them.

I highly doubt "most" rescue pits come from a dog fighting background, most are coming from idiot bybs breeding pits for money, realistically there wasn't much issue with the breed when dogfighting was legal, only once they become the stereotypical "bad" dog and overbreeding went nuts.

The last fatal attack in my state was a pit chained up in their basement with no food or water and a long history of attacking people, but what was down there too? A female and litter of puppies. How many human aggressive puppies you think they had pumped out before the dog killed their kid (that the parents let go down there alone of course). That's the kind of breeding that's causing problems. And that's the kind of "attack" that's the norm, dogs rarely "snap". It's either a vicious dog they kept around or a kid left alone with a dog which is never a good idea.

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Originally Posted by HypoPita

what I find funny too is that Staffies aren't really that much different in stature or behavior, and could be confused for eachother by everyday people.

....buuuuut it's okay for me to have an astaffie but not pitbull :rolleyes:

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American staffordshire terriers and American pit bull terriers are the same dog. back in the 40's when dog fighting was real big the people that showed the dog's went over to the UKC and register them as American staff's

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Originally Posted by morphious

American staffordshire terriers and American pit bull terriers are the same dog. back in the 40's when dog fighting was real big the people that showed the dog's went over to the UKC and register them as American staff's

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Not correct. UKC registers APBT and actually started as a fighting dog registry, AKC didn't want "pit" dogs so they changed the name, registered some, then closed the books so it's a pretty limited genepool and the type has changed quite a bit, Amstaffs tend to weigh more, bulkier build and head. There are dual registered Amstaffs/APBT but the standards are different and most people don't consider them to be the same breed anymore. UKC has headed that way as well unfortunately and most of their APBT look more like Amstaffs, whereas ADBA and AADR standards lean towards the working, athletic type pit bull.

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Originally Posted by GoingPostal

Not correct. UKC registers APBT and actually started as a fighting dog registry, AKC didn't want "pit" dogs so they changed the name, registered some, then closed the books so it's a pretty limited genepool and the type has changed quite a bit, Amstaffs tend to weigh more, bulkier build and head. There are dual registered Amstaffs/APBT but the standards are different and most people don't consider them to be the same breed anymore. UKC has headed that way as well unfortunately and most of their APBT look more like Amstaffs, whereas ADBA and AADR standards lean towards the working, athletic type pit bull.

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my bad it's the AKC not the UKC but no matter how you look at it they are the same dog. One's breed to work and one's breed to be pretty but they both go back to the same dog's if you look back in ther pedigree far enough.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

There is one good argument that hurts pits.

Some 90% of dog-related fatalities in the US are caused by pits.

It's not because they're "more aggressive", it's just that they are stronger and deadlier when they do attack.

Just like with pythons, there are thousands of bites to people, but most are from small baby snakes and aren't more than a pinprick.

However I still do not agree with breed-banning of any sort.

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Please show me where your getting your numbers from ?

I don't know if its been said already, but I don't consider anything that weighs less than 15lbs a dog :P. might as well spend all that money on a nice breed of cat.

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Originally Posted by aybe.sea

I don't know if its been said already, but I don't consider anything that weighs less than 15lbs a dog :P. might as well spend all that money on a nice breed of cat.

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AAAAAAgrEEEED!!! :gj::rofl:

http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreation...ogbreeds-a.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00047723.htm

most of the data comes from the hsus from 1979 to 1994 so i wouldnt treat these as actual real data

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Originally Posted by GoingPostal

I think there's a place in Ohio that bans dogs over a certain size, like 50 pounds? OH is really bad for BSL though. Italy used to have a whole ton of breeds banned, like corgis even but they repealed it due to ineffectiveness. A lot of places have huskies and dobes banned as well.

Cute dog though, I love her ears! That was my only "must" in adopting our second one, he had to have ears since our first has a bad home crop job. These are my two
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...edogpic007.jpg

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Can you tell me about ohio BSL? I did a project for school on it a few years ago and I found out that there was a ban on all "pit bull like" dogs. Which included like 10 different breeds of dogs. It said like you need a fenced in yard, or a kennel with a top, and locks, and like certain type of leash that cant be over 6'ft i think it was? It also said stuff about specific insurance to own them... Have the laws changed? I did the whole project because I wanted a pitbull. Unfortunatley my parents were to ignorant to even listen to me so they fed me the bs that theyre dangerous and all that, sort of like they did when I wanted a ball python.. Now we finally have our own dog, who is part rottweiler. Shes 11 months and around 60 lbs.

German shepards used to be the bad ass dogs, then dobies. Now it's pit breeds and rotties. Filos and Cane Corsos seem like the next wave. Banning one breed will just make another more popular, and people will always use dogs as status symbols/ protection/ "living guns." I'm sure we've been doing that for tens of thousands of years.

Beautiful pups, GoingPostal.