1.0 pied X 0.1 100% het pied????

how many pied's would that produce? what could i get

50 50 pied/hets

I'm a little confused - you just dropped $10K on all these animals and equipment, and you didn't research the details of your investment ahead of time? :confused:

It's also possible that you'll get all 100% het pieds (no pieds), or all pieds, it's all a roll of the dice.

If you have a 100% het pied and a pied....

25% pied (possibly)
75% hets (possible 100% hets and no pieds)

You have to prove out the hets first....

i knew somewhat of what i was doing but i've only been into the pythons a few months. i enough to know that it was a hell of a deal i was offered so i jumped on it. i got 45 adult/sub adult balls all the equitment amd a rat breeding colony. yes it was kinda on a whim and now im trying to put the pieces together.

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Originally Posted by sheffernan13

If you have a 100% het pied and a pied....

25% pied (possibly)
75% hets (possible 100% hets and no pieds)

You have to prove out the hets first....

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lol, nope.
pieds or 100% hets, no proving anything :P

50/50 could get more or less bad luck if you get 0.

50% chance PER EGG of hitting on a Pied, however anything that isn't Pied is a 100% Heterozygous animal.

You would get 50% of the clutch being het for Pied, 25% of the clutch being normal, and the other 25% of the clutch being Pied.

P= upper case dominant allele (PP= normal)
P= lower case recessive allele (pp= recessive)
Pp or pP= both upper and lower case alleles (Pp or pP= heterozygous)

100% het Pied x 100% het Pied

50%= heterozygous (alleles are Pp or pP)
25%= normal (alleles are PP)
25%= Piebald (alleles are pp)

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

You would get 50% of the clutch being het for Pied, 25% of the clutch being normal, and the other 25% of the clutch being Pied.

P= upper case dominant allele (PP= normal)
P= lower case recessive allele (pp= recessive)
Pp or pP= both upper and lower case alleles (Pp or pP= heterozygous)

100% het Pied x 100% het Pied

50%= heterozygous (alleles are Pp or pP)
25%= normal (alleles are PP)
25%= Piebald (alleles are pp)

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Sorry Tiff but not so, there wouldn't be any normals. Because there is a homozygous pied involved all babies would be at a minimum 100% het pied. As others have stated, this is a 50/50 situation.

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

You would get 50% of the clutch being het for Pied, 25% of the clutch being normal, and the other 25% of the clutch being Pied.

P= upper case dominant allele (PP= normal)
P= lower case recessive allele (pp= recessive)
Pp or pP= both upper and lower case alleles (Pp or pP= heterozygous)

100% het Pied x 100% het Pied

50%= heterozygous (alleles are Pp or pP)
25%= normal (alleles are PP)
25%= Piebald (alleles are pp)

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Sure thats true for a het pied x het pied but if you read the post thats not what we are talking about. The OP asked about a Pied x a het pied.

Side rant. People need to understand that a Pied is a Pied, a 100% het pied is just a het pied with someone throwing in the 100% for good measure and a 66% or 50% het pied is a fancy way of saying "not really sure what this is, could be normal could be het pied here are the odds" That was a little long to put in an ad for a snake so they went with 50% het pied and ever sense people have been disapointed when they found out there 50% het pied is really just a normal and on top of all that they have no one to blame but themselves for their disappointment.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

Side rant. People need to understand that a Pied is a Pied, a 100% het pied is just a het pied with someone throwing in the 100% for good measure and a 66% or 50% het pied is a fancy way of saying "not really sure what this is, could be normal could be het pied here are the odds" That was a little long to put in an ad for a snake so they went with 50% het pied and ever sense people have been disapointed when they found out there 50% het pied is really just a normal and on top of all that they have no one to blame but themselves for their disappointment.

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Anyone who is investing money in ball pythons or any other type of investment needs to do their homework and understand what all the terms mean.

50% or 66% isn't just some random number that people throw on possible hets, it's an accurate representation of the chances that animal had of inheriting a copy of the gene from one of the parents.

50% means that the resulting offspring were from a 100% het to a normal, and 66% means that the resulting offspring were from a 100% het to a 100% het.

Yes, there ARE scammers who take advantage of the face that hets (even 100%) look like normals in most cases (although there are some hets that seem to have markers that folks look for on the possible hets to help determine which ones they think are more likely to prove out).

I believe Heather (LadyOhh) just recently proved out some 50% possible het pieds this year. Possible hets are usually sold for normal or slightly higher than normal prices, and anyone who purchases possible hets should go into the purchase with no expectations of the results down the road.

There can be disappointments and there can also be great celebration. That's why a lot of people will choose to buy the entire clutch of possible hets. Heck, I'm raising up my 50% possible het clown females I produced - every one of them. If some don't prove out - what am I out? I have a beautiful, breedable weight normal - where's the downside in that?

thank ya'll sooo much. that definatly paints a clearer picture for me.

50%.

Homozygous to 100% heterozygous will give you a 50% clutch, theoretically.

Here's an example using an Albino which would be the same.

http://www.ballpython.ca/what_get/recessive.html

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Anyone who is investing money in ball pythons or any other type of investment needs to do their homework and understand what all the terms mean.

50% or 66% isn't just some random number that people throw on possible hets, it's an accurate representation of the chances that animal had of inheriting a copy of the gene from one of the parents.

50% means that the resulting offspring were from a 100% het to a normal, and 66% means that the resulting offspring were from a 100% het to a 100% het.

Yes, there ARE scammers who take advantage of the face that hets (even 100%) look like normals in most cases (although there are some hets that seem to have markers that folks look for on the possible hets to help determine which ones they think are more likely to prove out).

I believe Heather (LadyOhh) just recently proved out some 50% possible het pieds this year. Possible hets are usually sold for normal or slightly higher than normal prices, and anyone who purchases possible hets should go into the purchase with no expectations of the results down the road.

There can be disappointments and there can also be great celebration. That's why a lot of people will choose to buy the entire clutch of possible hets. Heck, I'm raising up my 50% possible het clown females I produced - every one of them. If some don't prove out - what am I out? I have a beautiful, breedable weight normal - where's the downside in that?

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This is exactly my point and for the record I never said they were random numbers. I fully understand what % possible hets mean. Of course there are many people that buy possible hets and prove them out or give up and assume them to be normal. My point is that I have seen more than one person buy a possible het, thinking that its a het and that makes me sad.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

Sure thats true for a het pied x het pied but if you read the post thats not what we are talking about. The OP asked about a Pied x a het pied.

Side rant. People need to understand that a Pied is a Pied, a 100% het pied is just a het pied with someone throwing in the 100% for good measure and a 66% or 50% het pied is a fancy way of saying "not really sure what this is, could be normal could be het pied here are the odds" That was a little long to put in an ad for a snake so they went with 50% het pied and ever sense people have been disapointed when they found out there 50% het pied is really just a normal and on top of all that they have no one to blame but themselves for their disappointment.

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LOL ohhh I thought I saw het Pied x het Pied, my mistake! When I posted my answer and looked at the other answers I noticed that something wasn't right that I typed in my post LOL. Sorry!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I'm a little confused - you just dropped $10K on all these animals and equipment, and you didn't research the details of your investment ahead of time? :confused:

It's also possible that you'll get all 100% het pieds (no pieds), or all pieds, it's all a roll of the dice.

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i totaly agree with rabernet- 10k is a lot to drop on ball pythons, now that im looking at ur posts, are these your first bps???? If so, and no offense but you are looking at this just for the money IT IS THE WRONG REASON buying that many breeders for 10k and not knowing your stuff is a CRAZY amount of money to spend. Also before you make money for these guys you will loose ALOT of money, but hey im probobly worng. Anyone willing to sepnd 10k for that many bps at once shud be able to take care of them all like they deserve, and that is what really matters :)

well i dont think the OP even said he had them, just asked "what could i get" but it still could be he doesnt even have a pied but just asked a simple question. and rab hit the ginetics on the nose, i breed one of my 100%het pieds last year to a 50% poss het caramel female (because i didnt have a male het or visual for the caramel gene) she was sent to phoenix this year on a breeder loan this year to be bred to a visual caramel and if she proves out i will have poss double het caramels and pieds, if not i will just have poss het pieds. so i kept all of the female ball pythons with the "het pied" markers and did trades or gave away the babbies.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

This is exactly my point and for the record I never said they were random numbers. I fully understand what % possible hets mean. Of course there are many people that buy possible hets and prove them out or give up and assume them to be normal. My point is that I have seen more than one person buy a possible het, thinking that its a het and that makes me sad.

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I think the problem is that a lot of sellers will put "50% het" or "66% het" instead of "50% possible het." To someone who either hasn't taken the time to educate themselves about genetics, or who is struggling with the concepts, I think that could easily be misunderstood as something along the lines of "50% of its babies will be het" or something like that, as opposed to the more accurate "there is a 50% chance that this animal will be het."

Add in the rather ludicrous term "100% het" (it's either het or it's not! Wouldn't "guaranteed het" be a more accurate, and less misleading term?) and it's easy for me to see how someone who doesn't really understand genetics could get confused about what the %'s mean.

Um ... Yeah, that got off-topic, didn't it? :rolleyes:

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but you are looking at this just for the money IT IS THE WRONG REASON buying that many breeders for 10k and not knowing your stuff is a CRAZY amount of money to spend.

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people spends way more than that on single animals not know crap about gentics. not crazy really, what you get for 10 grand is my question? and there are some people that do this for the money and really whats wrong with that if you ask me. If they fail because its not what they expected thats their fault. I've always said theres alot better hobbies to make money without as much risk/time/money invested. some people choose this for some unknown reason... let em.

and its not the breeders fault if they type 50% het instead of 50% possible het. if you don't understand the gentics, then its your fault when your disappointed.

guess my whole post can be summerized as do your research and stop blaming everyone else.

these arent my first ball pythons however i've never had this many. i didnt get into this for the money i love ball pythons and im fasinated with the morphs all the combos. (though the money will be nice when i get to that point) profit is the last thing on my mind now. i know it'll be awhile. but i take VERY good care of all of my animals, this is very personal to me

hey guys im new to the site but this was a very good thread im best buddys witha breeder of snakes geckos and dragons and i help him out at every show well this last repticon show in orlando i ended up getting from another dealer after buying some cases a 50%het pied female for $10 as he was walking out the door when i told my buddy he reminded me he had a clutch of 100% het pied and i got a male from him for $10 and it has the markers and i know its a true het because i saw the parents and the babies witch he got 3 out of 7 pied and this was one of the 4 that wasnt now i love bps so too me i just got two bps for 20 bucks which is awesome but one happens to be 100%het pied and the other theres a 50% chance its het pied i now understand this het thing thanks so much and i didnt get them because of the het thing it was just a great price for two bps
ps i alos have a pastel and a spider but thanks guys for all your help