The Candyball revealed to BP.net

Big Gunns is still trying to get the hang of the procedure to post a pic here, so it looks like he's going to post one pic at a time until the so called "genius" figures out how to post multiple pics.:D

Here is BG's first attempt. Many fellow forum losers(BG calls everyone this) like BG may have seen this pic posted elsewhere. This is the Candyball and one of Pete's Lavs when BG first delivered it to him. The Candy is about 150 to 200 grams, and the Lav is at least 250 grams.

BG is going to post two more pics, so you might wanna wait to respond....if you're gonna respond anyway.;):Dhttps://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...lav_129176.jpg

Here is the same Candy at Pete's at about 450 grams. The pic is taken on one of his carts with obviously no special lighting.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...petes_1112.jpg

All i have to say is wow ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Here is the Candy breeding when he first came in. He was a stud from the very beginning. He actually came in when BG was in Europe. BG had a buddy pic him up and place him in a rack with a couple of females right away. Big Gunns got back and it was the first thing he looked at. The Stud(like BG) was locked up with a fat female.:banana::banana::banana:

In case you're wondering why no quarantine. It was right in the middle of breeding season and only a fool would wait around to quarantine the animal. Anyway...Ball Pythons right out of the wild are not huge carriers of disease. BG has never had a problem.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...y_breeding.jpg

OK....hopefully this will straighten a few things out about the Candyball. As you can see from the adult breeding pic......the Candy does have some yellow in it that you don't see in the Toffee. They are most likely the same though, but maybe not compatible.


Hopefully you all like Big Gunns pics. He knows he's no expert, but you don't need to be an expert to take pics of these animals.

Peace

Not to question your ways Neil (BG) But I think a few people are going to give you hell for the no QT. I could care less, not my animals! :D. Sweet pics and thanks for sharing!

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Not to question your ways Neil (BG) But I think a few people are going to give you hell for the no QT. I could care less, not my animals! :D. Sweet pics and thanks for sharing!

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Like that would be something new.:D

The Candyman is still alive and kicking and so is every female he ever had his way with. It was just waaaayy to big a risk to quarantine it right away.$$$$$$$$$$(you'd understand if it was you). Anyway, like BG said...he has never had a problem. Ball Pythons out of the wild never(not never, but never for BG) pass on anything. The main thing is to treat the adults for internal parasites.

gotta love the first pic!, the ''candyball'''is really something special big gunns
wish i had one in my rack!!.....or two!.....:D

Big gunns like the attitude..! and the animals! :rockon:

AP Likes that. Last Time AP saw candy he was at the store. AP likes that candy way more. AP also thinks quarantines overrated. to a point. AP quarantines..maybe not as long as most would say AP should though.

Neil, if you get these guys all talking in the 3rd person... there's a special hell for the instigator. :colbert:

Why don't you mention the IMPORTANT thing that's not in with that WC & female? No water dish while cycling- old trick used by several breeders as extra precaution.

Heck of a stunning snake, 'bout time you posted pics!

Twisted likes the pics! Twisted never really quarantines either. Twisted picked his snakes up from people that have valued collections anyway. If Twisted had that much oney into it I would putting that male in with all his buddies snakes also!:gj:

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Originally Posted by NorthernRegius

Neil, if you get these guys all talking in the 3rd person... there's a special hell for the instigator. :colbert:

Why don't you mention the IMPORTANT thing that's not in with that WC & female? No water dish while cycling- old trick used by several breeders as extra precaution.

Heck of a stunning snake, 'bout time you posted pics!

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Thats interesting, good catch on the water bowl! I het the fact of why they do that, but, wouldn't the male pass his "herpes" to the girl in other ways;)

Fat Boy likes the candy ball too...looks awesome. Fat Boy has not heard of the water dish removal. He was wondering if this is just for precaution of passing "germs" or if in some way it promotes a breeding response?

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Originally Posted by FatBoy

Fat Boy likes the candy ball too...looks awesome. Fat Boy has not heard of the water dish removal. He was wondering if this is just for precaution of passing "germs" or if in some way it promotes a breeding response?

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Twisted is pretty sure that it is for the transmission of "herpes"; WC snakes are sometimes permiscuous and carry STDs.:D Ralph Davis talks about it also.

too sweet for a loser :gj::D

BD thinks this thread has great and is hilarious.

Hopefully Neil will show BD more pictures soon.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Not to question your ways Neil (BG) But I think a few people are going to give you hell for the no QT. I could care less, not my animals! :D. Sweet pics and thanks for sharing!

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Lets be honest what would you have done ! I really don't think to many people would of QT'ed this snake if they had it !

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

Twisted is pretty sure that it is for the transmission of "herpes"; WC snakes are sometimes permiscuous and carry STDs.:D Ralph Davis talks about it also.

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Fat Boy understands, he has a WC female that was real loose before FB got her!!

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

Lets be honest what would you have done ! I really don't think to many people would of QT'ed this snake if they had it !

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Life is risk, sometimes risks are taken... Neil gambled & took a risk.

What's funny about the whole "Third Person" thing for me is that I have a friend that constantly refers to himself in the third person... In real life, not for giggles but actually refers to himself as if he's a seperate entity and at times its rubbed off on me and I caught myself doing it too.

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

Lets be honest what would you have done ! I really don't think to many people would of QT'ed this snake if they had it !

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FWIW, I quarantine all new snakes. I know many others that do as well. ;)

*sigh*

This third person now that people want to be like Big Gunns is going to get real old real fast..

You see that, Neil?

Often imitated, never duplicated...

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

Lets be honest what would you have done ! I really don't think to many people would of QT'ed this snake if they had it !

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Me? I don't know. I would think I would QT it, but I didn't spend the $ BG and Pete Kahl did to bring the animal in.

It looks to me in the breeding pic that it has black speckles like the adult banana or is that just dirt?

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Originally Posted by NorthernRegius

Neil, if you get these guys all talking in the 3rd person... there's a special hell for the instigator. :colbert:

Why don't you mention the IMPORTANT thing that's not in with that WC & female? No water dish while cycling- old trick used by several breeders as extra precaution.

Heck of a stunning snake, 'bout time you posted pics!

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Good catch. Big Gunns had forgot all about that.:gj:

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

Twisted likes the pics! Twisted never really quarantines either. Twisted picked his snakes up from people that have valued collections anyway. If Twisted had that much oney into it I would putting that male in with all his buddies snakes also!:gj:

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You bet your twisted tail you would. Glad you're man/woman(still don't know) to admit it.

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Originally Posted by FatBoy

Fat Boy likes the candy ball too...looks awesome. Fat Boy has not heard of the water dish removal. He was wondering if this is just for precaution of passing "germs" or if in some way it promotes a breeding response?

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HMMMMMM, it's definitely for the first, but some top breeders will tell you that Ball Pythons breed better when dried out a leeetle.

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Originally Posted by BILLB OKC

too sweet for a loser :gj::D

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"Loser" coming from someone from OKC....now that's kinda ironic.:rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

BD thinks this thread has great and is hilarious.

Hopefully Neil will show BD more pictures soon.

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Only if everyone begs and admits how much they really wish they were Big Gunns.:D

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

Lets be honest what would you have done ! I really don't think to many people would of QT'ed this snake if they had it !

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No they would not have, especially if they had Big Gunns experience with snakes and knew that most likely there would be no problem....and there was not.

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Originally Posted by NorthernRegius

Life is risk, sometimes risks are taken... Neil gambled & took a risk.

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That's where you're wrong. The bigger gamble would have been to QT. BG will explain at the end of this post.

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Originally Posted by PaseQB

What's funny about the whole "Third Person" thing for me is that I have a friend that constantly refers to himself in the third person... In real life, not for giggles but actually refers to himself as if he's a seperate entity and at times its rubbed off on me and I caught myself doing it too.

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Has this person ever been to a reptile show or gym in the north or southeast....that would explain it.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

FWIW, I quarantine all new snakes. I know many others that do as well. ;)

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So does Big Gunns, but this was an extra special case.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

*sigh*

This third person now that people want to be like Big Gunns is going to get real old real fast..

You see that, Neil?

Often imitated, never duplicated...

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So true...the people that hate BG the most would do anything to be him. Not sure why though.:D

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Originally Posted by Anarchy

Big gunns like the attitude..! and the animals! :rockon:

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Of course you do...with a name like "anarchy" you are someone with confidence in yourself.:gj:

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Originally Posted by jp-reptiles

gotta love the first pic!, the ''candyball'''is really something special big gunns
wish i had one in my rack!!.....or two!.....:D

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They will be available next year. Just drop The Man, The Myth, The Legend in his own mind an e-mail. Don't do it unless your bank account is fat though.:D

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Originally Posted by azpythons

AP Likes that. Last Time AP saw candy he was at the store. AP likes that candy way more. AP also thinks quarantines overrated. to a point. AP quarantines..maybe not as long as most would say AP should though.

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Well AP should always quarantine...unless it's a special case like BG had.

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

Twisted is pretty sure that it is for the transmission of "herpes"; WC snakes are sometimes permiscuous and carry STDs.:D Ralph Davis talks about it also.

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Big Gunns is really surprised that is old buddy chub rock(now ripped rock) is talking about such a personal problem like that.:rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by FatBoy

Fat Boy understands, he has a WC female that was real loose before FB got her!!

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Did that female ever spend time in NJ...that would explain it.;):D

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Me? I don't know. I would think I would QT it, but I didn't spend the $ BG and Pete Kahl did to bring the animal in.

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AHHHH...another common mistake people make. Pete did not spend one nickel to bring this snake in. The snake was BG's for months before Pete had anything to do with it. Big Gunns did all the breeding the first year.

Big Gunns can prove that he made the right decision also(well kinda). The Toffee came in about 6 months before the Candy. It was treated, quarantined, and stayed at the importers for 6 months before it could be shipped to The Urban Python(needed cites). It was shipped to them about the same time the Candy came in(breeding season). They received it and put it into breeding. It didn't breed anything that first year according to Craig. This was Big Gunns biggest fear. Many WC males NEVER breed. Only a complete total idiot would wait and QT this animal.

Anyway...it's not like BG introduced it to his whole collection. It was only a few females....and it paid off BIG TIME!!!!!!!:banana::banana:

You have to walk in someones flip flops before you can truly make a decision on what you would do. Big Gunns would never EVER eat a rat...but they do on the show Survivor. Big Gunns would NEVER EVER eat a person, but those people in that plane crash did. You can Never judge until you're in the same position.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Big Gunns can prove that he made the right decision also(well kinda). The Toffee came in about 6 months before the Candy. It was treated, quarantined, and stayed at the importers for 6 months before it could be shipped to The Urban Python(needed cites). It was shipped to them about the same time the Candy came in(breeding season). They received it and put it into breeding. It didn't breed anything that first year according to Craig. This was Big Gunns biggest fear. Many WC males NEVER breed. Only a complete total idiot would wait and QT this animal.

Anyway...it's not like BG introduced it to his whole collection. It was only a few females....and it paid off BIG TIME!!!!!!!:banana::banana:

You have to walk in someones flip flops before you can truly make a decision on what you would do. Big Gunns would never EVER eat a rat...but they do on the show Survivor. Big Gunns would NEVER EVER eat a person, but those people in that plane crash did. You can Never judge until you're in the same position.

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Yep so you took a calculated RISK & cycled a few girls with him, not like you exposed your whole collection. A smart cookie like you would have the whole breeding group well separated from the rest of his snakes.

I still say QT is Standard Operating Procedure. But I would have done EXACTLY what you did with the Candy male, Neil. Better to risk expanding those genes than not & either he doesn't breed or (God forbid) something happens to him.

BG, could you please tell BG that I appreciate his explanation about the whole QT situation. It seems a lot of aspiring breeders look for shortcuts and saw that picture and out-of-context explanation as a good example where they can cut corners. Thanks for taking the time to explain the entire process/situation. :gj:

Thank you for all of this !

I would have probably done the samething if I had the money. Not quarantine an animal, but quarantine a group that will be in contact with it.

Getting it to breed now was a wise decision, who know if he will still want to breed the next years to come.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Like that would be something new.:D

The Candyman is still alive and kicking and so is every female he ever had his way with. It was just waaaayy to big a risk to quarantine it right away.$$$$$$$$$$(you'd understand if it was you).

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That's all it is with you anyways isn't it Bigg Gumms? Oh yeah that and flappin your jaw.

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Originally Posted by NorthernRegius

Yep so you took a calculated RISK & cycled a few girls with him, not like you exposed your whole collection. A smart cookie like you would have the whole breeding group well separated from the rest of his snakes.

I still say QT is Standard Operating Procedure. But I would have done EXACTLY what you did with the Candy male, Neil. Better to risk expanding those genes than not & either he doesn't breed or (God forbid) something happens to him.

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Big Gunns almost forgot. BG did ask the importer(most people "in the know" know him) what he would do. He explained that he had bred many a wild caught male and NEVER had a problem with disease.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

BG, could you please tell BG that I appreciate his explanation about the whole QT situation. It seems a lot of aspiring breeders look for shortcuts and saw that picture and out-of-context explanation as a good example where they can cut corners. Thanks for taking the time to explain the entire process/situation. :gj:

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You're welcome. Big Gunns was about to post that he does not think it's wise not to QT your animals just because he didn't do so this particular time.

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Originally Posted by Watever

Thank you for all of this !

I would have probably done the samething if I had the money. Not quarantine an animal, but quarantine a group that will be in contact with it.

Getting it to breed now was a wise decision, who know if he will still want to breed the next years to come.

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Yep.

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Originally Posted by anendeloflorien

That's all it is with you anyways isn't it Bigg Gumms? Oh yeah that and flappin your jaw.

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Doesn't just about every decision you make in life come down to dollars and cents?

You forgot one thing though. People that know BG best know EXACTLY what this is. He just hasn't mentioned it here...... YET.:D

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

AHHHH...another common mistake people make. Pete did not spend one nickel to bring this snake in. The snake was BG's for months before Pete had anything to do with it. Big Gunns did all the breeding the first year.

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Ah see I was told that you and Pete bought it from Ian who imported it from Noah.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Doesn't just about every decision you make in life come down to dollars and cents?

You forgot one thing though. People that know BG best know EXACTLY what this is. He just hasn't mentioned it here...... YET.:D

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OOooo you've got me on pins and needles here Neil.

And yeah a lot of things in life do come down to dollars and cents but I don't care if you're God (which you seem to think you are) you are taking a risk with the lives of your animals by introducing a snake just out of the wild without even taking a little time to make sure that it's not sick. Who gives a rats ass if your "importer" friend says that he's never had a problem?

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Originally Posted by anendeloflorien

OOooo you've got me on pins and needles here Neil.

And yeah a lot of things in life do come down to dollars and cents but I don't care if you're God (which you seem to think you are)

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You're reading WAY too into this...

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Originally Posted by anendeloflorien

OOooo you've got me on pins and needles here Neil.

And yeah a lot of things in life do come down to dollars and cents but I don't care if you're God (which you seem to think you are) you are taking a risk with the lives of your animals by introducing a snake just out of the wild without even taking a little time to make sure that it's not sick. Who gives a rats ass if your "importer" friend says that he's never had a problem?

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You're reading WAY too into this...

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No he/she isn't. Clearly he/she has waaaaaaay more experience than Big Gunns and everyone BG spoke with.:D

Big Gunns did have the importer and his buddy(who knows he sheeyat) look at the snake to make sure it looked healthy before it was introduced to anything. If it was sick, BG wasn't taking it.

BG is not even upset with what he/she is saying. He/she is right, but to every rule, there are exceptions. This is one of those cases...and it appears...like usual...Big Gunns was right. All animals are alive and squirming to this day.:)

ps. As far a "God" goes. BG doesn't just think.:P

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Ah see I was told that you and Pete bought it from Ian who imported it from Noah.

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Told by a "forum expert" BG is sure.:D It didn't come from Noah either.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Told by a "forum expert" BG is sure.:D It didn't come from Noah either.

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Not quite, I think the Noah was my own assumption only name that was sure was Ian, but I know they work together a lot so I assumed it was Noah.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Not quite, I think the Noah was my own assumption only name that was sure was Ian, but I know they work together a lot so I assumed it was Noah.

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"assumption" huh? It always seems that's where most problems start.

How do you make a CandyBall?

Daniel

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How do you make a CandyBall?

Daniel

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Special paint and some sugar.:P

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

How do you make a CandyBall?

Daniel

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You can breed a Candy to Candy or a Candy to a Het Candy or a Het to Het its just like an Albino

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Originally Posted by Royal Morphz

You can breed a Candy to Candy or a Candy to a Het Candy or a Het to Het its just like an Albino

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Oh thats cool. How much for Het Candies?

Daniel

I like the candy ball, it's really neato. I like the toffee name better but both names are better then burgundy albino. But whatever you want to call them, I can hardly wait until they drop into my price range.

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

Oh thats cool. How much for Het Candies?

Daniel

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I believe in the 5k to 10k range

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I like the candy ball, it's really neato. I like the toffee name better but both names are better then burgundy albino. But whatever you want to call them, I can hardly wait until they drop into my price range.

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Of course you like it better...after all...you are a leeetle minion.;):D:D

Big Gunns does give 10% discounts to leeetle minion converts. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Of course you like it better...after all...you are a leeetle minion.;):D:D

Big Gunns does give 10% discounts to leeetle minion converts. :rofl:

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WOW 10 percent sounds GREAT.... But are you sure that's the kind of 'vert' YOU'RE looking for??? :D:D:O

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Originally Posted by MarkS

WOW 10 percent sounds GREAT.... But are you sure that's the kind of 'vert' YOU'RE looking for??? :D:D:O

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On second thought...maybe not.:D

All hail the candy ball...:worship:

Candy Balls sounds like an insult :rofl: It is a nice looking snake but im wondering if BG has a Yoda complex :weirdface

Got to love the secrecy behind this project, loads of what, when, how and if!

Would BG be kind enough to post a pic fresly out of the egg? :D

DBD likes that...