I need mucho helpo!

Okay i am planning to acquire and breed a male spider with a female pastel (or vice versa) to achieve bumble bee ball pythons! BUT I need to know:

Where can i get the breeding snakes for $350 or less?

How much will i be able to sell the babies for?

What is the best place to sell the offspring.

Forget those three questions.


Ask yourself this.

Can I house adult BP's PROPERLY?

Can I house potential offspring properly?

Do I know enough about ballpython husbandry in general and what do I know about breeding?

Don't think easy cash. You won't be able to buy breedable size/weight animals for 350,- (and im talking morphs here)

Buy 2 '09 animals, learn about them. Watch them grow, see how they react,
and after three years, think about breeding. Not $$$ when you haven't even set the rest up properly.

Just my 0,02 cents.

Greets from Holland,

Yaron

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Forget those three questions.


Ask yourself this.

Can I house adult BP's PROPERLY?

Can I house potential offspring properly?

Do I know enough about ballpython husbandry in general and what do I know about breeding?

Don't think easy cash. You won't be able to buy breedable size/weight animals for 350,- (and im talking morphs here)

Buy 2 '09 animals, learn about them. Watch them grow, see how they react,
and after three years, think about breeding. Not $$$ when you haven't even set the rest up properly.

Just my 0,02 cents.

Greets from Holland,

Yaron

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uhh, okay, thanks. I am just saying i wanted to breed in 2010 not 2012/2013.

I can tell you right off the bat you won't find a breedable male spider and female Pastel for 350.00.. You might find a Juvi spider that would breed next year but a breeder female morph is golden in a breeders collection..

Where can i get the breeding snakes for $350 or less? : you can't. You MIGHT be able to get a breed able spider male for that much, but I haven't seen any. Breed able female spiders or pastels are worth much more than 350..

How much will i be able to sell the babies for? Look around and see what other bees, spiders, pastels and normals are going for.

Breeding snakes isn't just about making money. You need to put a lot of money down as initial investments. Do you have experience breeding snakes? Have you thought about how much hard work it is to sell babies? What if people don't buy them?

People sell at shows, over the net, in classifieds, to wholesalers, etc.


These responses are from another breeding post i replied on:

Breeding animals is not a guaranteed money maker. Many people get into this hobby for the wrong reasons, and I'm certainly not saying that you are but your post comes across as very monetarily driven. Understand the investments you'd need to make and the decisions you'd have to make if you chose to bring more snakes into the world (and that goes for anyone who is considering breeding anything, not just you I'm going to be doing very small time breeding and am making a business plan, and thinking about some of the less than thrilling aspects of breeding these snakes. Just search for "warning, graphic pictures" threads.. You'll see the hardship that may accompany breeding).

If you pick up a female, even one that is of breeding size, she (and any new snakes) you get should be quarantined. Where would you quarantine a snake in a dorm room? (i went to college, they dont call them shoe boxes for nothing lol). Many breeder sized females take a year off after they have been moved around or stressed a lot (like when being moved or transported, or coming from a rescue situation).

I recommend you look over this thread: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...23#post1165923 it has a lot of useful info on weather breeding snakes is something for you, and more.

Seems like you are putting the carriage before the horses here.

How about you buy some your animals raise them up, while you doing that do some research on breeding, see are you still like it after 2 years, then if you do start breeding and if you are successful than you can start worrying about how much you will be able to sell your hatchlings.

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Okay i am planning to acquire and breed a male spider with a female pastel (or vice versa) to achieve bumble bee ball pythons! BUT I need to know:

Where can i get the breeding snakes for $350 or less?

How much will i be able to sell the babies for?

What is the best place to sell the offspring.

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I completely agree with everyone in regards to this topic. Dont think too much of the income you'll be gettin when you succesfully bred some. Think of the passion and joy in raising hatchlings into adults. Thinking of money in return can even lead you to frustration ending up in quitting the hobby unhappy. :)

Sounds like you're not breeding for the love of ball pythons...if all you're seeing is easy money, then this isn't for you. The last thing you should worry about is how much you're selling the young for - worry about taking care of your snakes, having proper husbandry, etc. Instead of rushing into breeding (no way you'll be breeding by 2010) get a baby, raise it, care for it, learn all about it. Learn all about ball pythons, and if you still want to breed years later when your babies are ready - then go for it.

you've gotta breed them just for the passion of animal husbandry. don't get into just for the money. that can lead to improper care of the animals and bad/unhealthy decisions for your snakes. you are NOT going to find a female morph for anywhere near that price. so just buy yourself an '09 and raise the girl yourself. and DO NOT be in a hurry and over feed her. she's gonna be 3 maybe 4 before she's a good breeding weight. just keep the snake's health in mind and everything else will come. good luck!

i picked up a proven breeder male spider for 300 at a expo, but he was low white and there is NO WAY you will find a breeder female pastel for anywere near 250, probly closer to 800$

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Where can i get the breeding snakes for $350 or less?

How much will i be able to sell the babies for?

What is the best place to sell the offspring.

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Nigeria. At least that's what I read from a Nigerian email.

I'd say anywhere from $100 (if you live in Nigeria) to $1,000.

What is the best place? Probably in a cloth bag in a shipping box. :P

No ones mentioned that even if you did find two adults, they more than likely would not breed for you this year.

So I was going to get irate here and be beyond rude but I am going to do my best to bite my tongue here.

I have a few questions for you prior to me answering anything at all.

First-how long have you been keeping BP's?

Second-Have you ever bred any of them?

Third-What knowledge do you actually have of these animals? Not what you think you know but what do you actually know?

Fourth-What is your living situation? not being rude here but do you live in an apartment, house, with parents?

Fifth-What do you keep your BP's in?

Sixth-What are you going to keep the babies in?

Seventh-Do you have a constant supply of CORRECT sized feeders?

I ask all of that because they are all needed to give any kind of answer that would be of any use to you. From what I have seen in previous posts from you, the OP, you do not have the knowledge to deal with any mishaps that can and will happen. Nor do I honestly think you are doing this for the love of the animals but for a quick buck.

I stayed as nice as I could in this and if I offended anyone I am sorry.

Tom

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Many breeder sized females take a year off after they have been moved around or stressed a lot (like when being moved or transported, or coming from a rescue situation).

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No ones mentioned that even if you did find two adults, they more than likely would not breed for you this year.

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Got it covered, but definitely a point to remember!

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Sounds like you're not breeding for the love of ball pythons...if all you're seeing is easy money, then this isn't for you. The last thing you should worry about is how much you're selling the young for - worry about taking care of your snakes, having proper husbandry, etc. Instead of rushing into breeding (no way you'll be breeding by 2010) get a baby, raise it, care for it, learn all about it. Learn all about ball pythons, and if you still want to breed years later when your babies are ready - then go for it.

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Ok i understand now how my post looks, but i love snakes, and reptiles more than cheese cake, and if you knew me, you would know that is A LOT! But I dont care about making money, im 16, have a job, and want to breed snakes while i am young so that when i get older, i can make breeding my career. I love my snake, and reptiles so much, and just the thought of someone taking advantage of these animals for a profit disgusts me. I am dedicating my life to snakes, and the advance in their population, and genetics.

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So I was going to get irate here and be beyond rude but I am going to do my best to bite my tongue here.

I have a few questions for you prior to me answering anything at all.

First-how long have you been keeping BP's?

Second-Have you ever bred any of them?

Third-What knowledge do you actually have of these animals? Not what you think you know but what do you actually know?

Fourth-What is your living situation? not being rude here but do you live in an apartment, house, with parents?

Fifth-What do you keep your BP's in?

Sixth-What are you going to keep the babies in?

Seventh-Do you have a constant supply of CORRECT sized feeders?

I ask all of that because they are all needed to give any kind of answer that would be of any use to you. From what I have seen in previous posts from you, the OP, you do not have the knowledge to deal with any mishaps that can and will happen. Nor do I honestly think you are doing this for the love of the animals but for a quick buck.

I stayed as nice as I could in this and if I offended anyone I am sorry.

Tom

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Im sorry if i pissed you off? but i love ball pythons, and dont really care about the money.

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Got it covered, but definitely a point to remember!

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Sorry, I just skim these threads and must have missed what you said:oops:

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Ok i understand now how my post looks, but i love snakes, and reptiles more than cheese cake, and if you knew me, you would know that is A LOT! But I dont care about making money, im 16, have a job, and want to breed snakes while i am young so that when i get older, i can make breeding my career. I love my snake, and reptiles so much, and just the thought of someone taking advantage of these animals for a profit disgusts me. I am dedicating my life to snakes, and the advance in their population, and genetics.

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Another thing worth mention. Theres barely any people who are breeders for a career. And to answer your questions you cant find a pair for $350 if thats what you mean. You might be able to find a good pastel female for 200-300, and a male spider for 200-300. And those are 09's. Like the others said a female that is mature costs alot more money at least $500. There is no way you would be able to breed in 2010 just because as far as we can tell you know nothing about breeding and cant afford to buy the snakes, and even if you could they would be to young to breed. Plus you need somewhere to keep each of them plus their babies. Heating for all, and a thermostat and rack/tubs or tanks. And for selling the babies, it depends what you get????
The best place to sell them is a reptile show or kingsnake.

Also forgot to mention you need an incubator, buy one, or to make your own with a heating element and a good thermostat. And time.

you see a lot of people doing this same thing with dogs and cats..... and we see how that has turned out. find a better way to earn money. imo

Not starting anything but I got a breeder female pastel for 260 at daytona.... and you can get a male spider thats 500 grams for 350 easy.

But I agree do it for the love because truth is you most likely wont even break even. you will end up in the hole.

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Not starting anything but I got a breeder female pastel for 260 at daytona.... and you can get a male spider thats 500 grams for 350 easy.

But I agree do it for the love because truth is you most likely wont even break even. you will end up in the hole.

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Is it Brown?

bps are not money makers. i have 23 snakes 13 are bps only trying to breed 1 pair thisyeard to see if i can do so as planned event.

Most of my snakes are aquired second hand, meaning i got a call to come get them after the kid,young adult ,previous owner grew tired of them, abandon them, or was forced to give them up for this or that reason. Out of those 23 snakes i have purchased only (9 snakes) 3 other were the result of unplanned breedings. I have one snake that eat more in month than I do on a single day. She eating 2( when I got them) jumbo large rats every week and at 10+ a piece they not cheap ( and this is a rescued snake)

I can bet I spent more in building racks, buying tubs , aquiring rodents ( for breeding) than I have for most my entire collection.


this does not count the amounts of bedding( pine for rodents, aspen for snakes) I get each month, or the food for rodents or buying extra rodents when they not producing fast enough, or the electric each month. I bet I spend about 50+ bucks a month on just maintance and i have been keeping snakes since I was 14 ( currently 32) easly. in that time i think I made 100 buck ( usely in the removal of snakes for people Native speciaes that are released else were) I never counted for gas( in truck), vet, permits, into any of this.

If I do prove out the het pied this Planned breeding I would still be inth hole at least 3 grand and that if I had eggs and they all hatched/sold as visible pieds. and that just this year's debt. I have to produce about 20 clutchs of bees, and pieds to get out of the hole right now. And that would not make up for the rest of this year or int onext year cost ( that would be 20 clutches that were dropped in my lap and all hatched out a visible morph and i had a seller lined up so that I was just packaging them from the egg int oa box to be shipped. ( not going to happen)

What you need to do is get a set up ( proper one for a ball python) have it running for 3-4 weeks andsee if stable ) then get a normal hatchling, spend the time to raise it up for 3 years to see if this is somethign you want to do. Then get the morphs. I have of breeding weight and age 4-5 females and only breeding my 07 het pieds.

I can give you sa prefect example of why do it the long way . my niece wanted the boa I have in the collection ( largest snake I ever took in ) She promised to come over help care for it (I supervise) this was great for about a month ( the help was great and really needed at times) that was 2 years ago, Since that time she only helps if 1 she allowed down ( parent issues), I remind her of her saying she promised to help. Most the time it up to my mother and I to do it all ( we both have cerbal plasey never can spell it right ) and the getting up and down out of the floor( since i lack proper room to have a table to work on) will kill either of us in like 10 minutes.


you figure I have an 8x9 room ( with the closet removed) that housed 2 4ft x 30 in racks ( about 5 ft tall) each holding about 12 tubs( 41 quart ) then I got a 2ft x 2ft (about 4ft tall coke machine that still got ot be turned into an incubator ) plus 2 4ftx2ftx 2ft custom cages I built that only hold 3 snakes. all of this plus a space to walk/drag out tubs. and store the extra bailes of pine and aspen in the room I am lucky that mom likes to watch the rodents and has 4 40 gall reptile tanks setup for asf and rats so they are in her room.


I personally would need a single car garage or larger to house just the current collection

so rought possible break down you could look at if just tryingot make a buck

cost to breed right and make a profit withing 4 years ( cause anything befoer that means double the animals and space ( plus keeping all the females back for the first 2 seasons.)
the start up animals ( sub adults at least 10k depends on when and what kind of morph)
proptry to raise, house and store evrything cause this would not be a bedroom job ( not counting a morgate or the cost of building a special building ) as it mostly likey not gonig ot be ok with parent(s) or your life partner to have them in the house unless really lucky and got a reptile over.

so say another 3k in electric forheating and lights if lucky to live in a ok temp area.

food,supplies, cages,( the food's supplies) for 2 years roughly 4k( this would also depend on the size of the collection so could be higher )
so right now your looking at least 16k and that only if you got lucky on the building and a steal on the mophs.

Thiss does not cover any possible vet trips,meds permits, Licenses inspections and othe rpossible things to get started.


SO before you go thinknig you can makea quick buck breeding snakes your wrong. it may seem like it when al lthe money first comes in but it going right back out in the log run. to do so and be profittable you would have to lucky, have a well planned out business plan, a larger bankroll to start. The breeders on these sites are not doing so ( for the most part as their only income) they do it as a hobby that at times turns a profit. that profit might be only a thank you or a trade with another breeder for a morph they don't have.


I might sound like a nut or a person ranting but I had to put a lot of thought into my reptile keeping plans and hopes. It took me the last 2 years to even consider wanting to breed. My first experience was a nightmare from a result of a rescued pair kept together and only been in my care for about 6 weeks. I was running aorund searching for info tossing money out in the air ( that I didn't even have)for stuff I needed once i figure that out. I still have 2 of those 5 snakes in my collection. That been over a year now gonig for 2. Breeding is not a get rich quick event. My breeding plans are so right now to produce a snake I can't afford any other way. PLus wut hthe rescent economy like it ben this last year snakes are not a fast selling item between people losing their main income, their homes amoing other things pets are taking a back burner to say,( just look at craigslist). I wanted ot purchase 3 morphs this season ( one mom been looknig for but can't find since she saw it at the first reptile show over a year ago.

Since you are 16, here is my 2 cents.

Like you said $350. The best thing to do in my opinion would be to buy 2 Female pastels HATCHLINGS and grow them up. By the time you are moving out or making decissions on your own about your living situation they will able to breed. You can buy the male (in this case a spider for bee's) somewhere between that time since they can breed younger. You will learn alot about them too.

If were in your situation I would go this way: try to save a little more and buy a female pastel and a female spider. Then buy a male pastel a little later. That way you have a shot at making bumble bees and super pastels down the road.

Dont jump to conclusions and kill a "child's" (for lack of a better word at the moment, is late and Im tired :P) dream.

You all (meaning most) point out things in such a negative way! Give him some credit. At least he is trying to make a plan out of his future live, which I cant say the same about most people... Hell Im 26 and Im still trying to figure out what to keep studying!

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Ok i understand now how my post looks, but i love snakes, and reptiles more than cheese cake, and if you knew me, you would know that is A LOT! But I dont care about making money, im 16, have a job, and want to breed snakes while i am young so that when i get older, i can make breeding my career. I love my snake, and reptiles so much, and just the thought of someone taking advantage of these animals for a profit disgusts me. I am dedicating my life to snakes, and the advance in their population, and genetics.

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I realize that you aren't into BP's for the money. I definitely understand the appeal of breeding bp's now and producing bumblebees next year. In my experience, when it comes to breeding snakes, whenever you try to rush anything you get negative results. If you really want to make breeding a career you have to take small steps. There really aren't many career breeders in the world and those that are spent a lot of time getting there.

PATIENCE is they key when it comes to this hobby. It's going to take a very long time and a handful of failures before you start making any kind of money back - and it's not guaranteed that you will!

Like others have said, start with buying a really nice pair. You'll spend good money housing and feeding them - and, if you're lucky, down the road you may make your money back selling offspring. Most likely when you first get into snakes you will lose a lot more money then you make. But, if you really love snakes, then you have to realize it's all about the journey. Seeing a beautiful baby snake that can fit in the palm of your hand grow and grow into an amazing adult and seeing that adult produce a whole new generation of babies - it's amazing!!! .......And if you do start making money.... feel lucky!

Thank you guys for you're help, it has shown me what i need to do. I will Just get a nice female pastel and raise it.

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Since you are 16, here is my 2 cents.

Like you said $350. The best thing to do in my opinion would be to buy 2 Female pastels HATCHLINGS and grow them up. By the time you are moving out or making decissions on your own about your living situation they will able to breed. You can buy the male (in this case a spider for bee's) somewhere between that time since they can breed younger. You will learn alot about them too.

If were in your situation I would go this way: try to save a little more and buy a female pastel and a female spider. Then buy a male pastel a little later. That way you have a shot at making bumble bees and super pastels down the road.

Dont jump to conclusions and kill a "child's" (for lack of a better word at the moment, is late and Im tired :P) dream.

You all (meaning most) point out things in such a negative way! Give him some credit. At least he is trying to make a plan out of his future live, which I cant say the same about most people... Hell Im 26 and Im still trying to figure out what to keep studying!

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thank you, you are one of the few people who haven't jumped down my throat.

Do you have a plan for what is going to happen to these animals when/if you go to college? Most colleges require freshman to live on campus, and you CANNOT have any live animals besides fish on campus, PERIOD. Dont try to sneak it in, or pull a fast one, it wont work. I think you should just keep this as a hobby and not try to get into breeding until you are settled more, and by that time morphs will be much less expensive and much more available to the average keeper. I know it sucks, but sometimes waiting is definitely worth it. Good luck.

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Since you are 16, here is my 2 cents.

Like you said $350. The best thing to do in my opinion would be to buy 2 Female pastels HATCHLINGS and grow them up. By the time you are moving out or making decissions on your own about your living situation they will able to breed. You can buy the male (in this case a spider for bee's) somewhere between that time since they can breed younger. You will learn alot about them too.

If were in your situation I would go this way: try to save a little more and buy a female pastel and a female spider. Then buy a male pastel a little later. That way you have a shot at making bumble bees and super pastels down the road.

Dont jump to conclusions and kill a "child's" (for lack of a better word at the moment, is late and Im tired :P) dream.

You all (meaning most) point out things in such a negative way! Give him some credit. At least he is trying to make a plan out of his future live, which I cant say the same about most people... Hell Im 26 and Im still trying to figure out what to keep studying!

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Great advice. That is what i am doing right now!!! lol. Or trying to at least. I have a normal female and am trying to buy a pastel female. 09's then i want to get a pinstripe female as soon as i get money. Then im going to get one spider male once theyre big enough. Which leads me to say that they dont have to get both pastels if they dont want to. They could get something for a different combo they like.

I would just go with a female pastel and a female of something else that you like because when you actually do pastel x spider you are most likley going to get some pastels or spiders that you could use to breed instead of buying a new male. Or you could sell them for what ever your looking for. I wouldnt buy a female spider as an 09 to breed to a pastel. You dont really need two pastels and two spiders unless thats all you want to do is breed bumblebees, then you could still get along with just pastel females and one spider male.

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Do you have a plan for what is going to happen to these animals when/if you go to college? Most colleges require freshman to live on campus, and you CANNOT have any live animals besides fish on campus, PERIOD. Dont try to sneak it in, or pull a fast one, it wont work. I think you should just keep this as a hobby and not try to get into breeding until you are settled more, and by that time morphs will be much less expensive and much more available to the average keeper. I know it sucks, but sometimes waiting is definitely worth it. Good luck.

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Most colleges only require freshmen to live on campus if they live far away from home. I have no idea of all campus rules but some may accept snakes. I wouldnt know. When I go to college I plan on keeping my snakes at home and driving home on the weekends since its only like an hour away. Then after a year or two I can look for an apartment/ rent place that allows pets. Or not. I might not even have to do that.

I think you made a good decision. Get a nice 09 Pastel and Spider and raise them. That's what I'm doing. You gain much more appreciation/understanding for the snake!

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Most colleges only require freshmen to live on campus if they live far away from home. I have no idea of all campus rules but some may accept snakes. I wouldnt know. When I go to college I plan on keeping my snakes at home and driving home on the weekends since its only like an hour away. Then after a year or two I can look for an apartment/ rent place that allows pets. Or not. I might not even have to do that.

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Trust me, college campuses WILL not allow any animals on campus, thats just how it is. I am currently in college and living off campus in order to keep my snakes.

keep Striven man. Dont let all those sap suckers talk you down. besides the way the market is eating its self im sure you can find some sweet deals. But it wouldn't be a bad Idea to get two pastels like what was mentioned above and save up some cash, so when they are ready to breed you could get a spider male and produce some killer bee's I mean they can breed at 500 grams easily. I recommend a bit more weight though. Keep it up and shop around.

I dont even want to mention how much investment or money into this hobby i have put in 1 year. Does that bother me? Not in the least. I will attempt to breed 5-6 females this year.

This is what occurred prior. 1 year of research and forum reading. Visiting BHB in person. Asking questions/learning.

Having in place housing for up 50 babies. Will I have 50? Of course not but it is possible so I need to have that in place. Food in freezer. Temp control units. Vet money fund in place just in case. Oh yeah permission from my wife:).

The mindset of a hobby/or in own home breeder has to be this imo. I will have to sell animals for 5 years with no issues and everyone taken em off my hands to even come close to the initial money in. And that is the point. Money is a benefit in the end that may or may not come. If it doesnt you are left with your enjoyment/passion and love for the animals. Is that enough? If its not then the path chosen may be incorrect.

You may have all this taken care of, if so that is awesome. Just making sure that when it comes down to it the venture needs to start with enjoyment from the animals. The investment into breeding and having multiple animals is to high for it to be much more then that to start.

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keep Striven man. Dont let all those sap suckers talk you down. besides the way the market is eating its self im sure you can find some sweet deals. But it wouldn't be a bad Idea to get two pastels like what was mentioned above and save up some cash, so when they are ready to breed you could get a spider male and produce some killer bee's I mean they can breed at 500 grams easily. I recommend a bit more weight though. Keep it up and shop around.

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Just to point out using the phrase "stunning bee's" would have been better as killerbees are a morph in their own right that he would be unable to produce in the first generation with those ingredients. :D

I know what you meant but I just thought I'd mention it to avoid confusion later. :cool:


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Hi,



Just to point out using the phrase "stunning bee's" would have been better as killerbees are a morph in their own right that he would be unable to produce in the first generation with those ingredients. :D

I know what you meant but I just thought I'd mention it to avoid confusion later. :cool:


dr del

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Haha I didnt even see my mistake... I ment to write Bumble bee male... SHHH dont tell any one! >_<

I should stick to my own Idea get my self a lemon pastel female lol!!

Lets say you do find a pair of snakes in your price range and try to breed them. They might not breed for several years just because they dont feel like it. Husbandry has to be spot on. And the snakes have to be stress free and well fed. If you only have a pair of low end morphs the hachlings they produce will in no way pay for the hobbie. I only have 14 snakes and im still behind on the money part. If you breed your own feeders it will help tons. But plan on keeping 1 trio of rats per snake.
If you plan on getting into high end ball pythons for profit, it takes money to make money. Plan on spending thousands of dollars and not making any profit for several years.

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Lets say you do find a pair of snakes in your price range and try to breed them. They might not breed for several years just because they dont feel like it. Husbandry has to be spot on. And the snakes have to be stress free and well fed. If you only have a pair of low end morphs the hachlings they produce will in no way pay for the hobbie. I only have 14 snakes and im still behind on the money part. If you breed your own feeders it will help tons. But plan on keeping 1 trio of rats per snake.
If you plan on getting into high end ball pythons for profit, it takes money to make money. Plan on spending thousands of dollars and not making any profit for several years.

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Lets say you do find a pair of snakes in your price range and try to breed them. They might not breed for several years just because they dont feel like it. Husbandry has to be spot on. And the snakes have to be stress free and well fed. If you only have a pair of low end morphs the hachlings they produce will in no way pay for the hobbie. I only have 14 snakes and im still behind on the money part. If you breed your own feeders it will help tons. But plan on keeping 1 trio of rats per snake.
If you plan on getting into high end ball pythons for profit, it takes money to make money. Plan on spending thousands of dollars and not making any profit for several years.

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Trust me, college campuses WILL not allow any animals on campus, thats just how it is. I am currently in college and living off campus in order to keep my snakes.

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Just so you know there are multiple colleges out there that allow animals, you just have to look around. Freshman year I was able to keep 4 snakes, a camel spider and a sugar glider in my room. Multiple people had dogs, cats and other animals. Im not saying this is true for most schools but you can find it if you look.

As far as state schools go, you are not allowed to keep animals on campus.

i went to a private college and they only allowed fish in the dorms. I started getting animals after i was out of the dorms :)

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Originally Posted by aaramire

As far as state schools go, you are not allowed to keep animals on campus.

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Alright, but that doesnt mean you have to go to a bad school to have a pet. Did you know MIT allows pets?

hahahahaha:D:D:D