Waterbowl Hugging :) ?

My 04 female Lesser Platty is hugging her waterbowl ... i'm on my first breeding experiment..
does this happen often?..,.. anybody have any idea what sign is this?.. :)

thank youu.. :)

She is most likely developing follicles. Have a look at this....It might help.
http://www.ballpython.ca/gallery/breeding.html

@twistedtails:
thank you for the link... :)

during the day i double check and caught her again ...
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/a...90930-1606.jpg

i just double check on the website... based on the pictures there,
so do you think.. is it a pre-layed soak?..

It would only be a pre-lay soak if she has already ovulated... Have you noticed a large swell in her mid-section that looks like she swallowed a Jumbo Rat?

@turboserpent:
i will check.. :)
because she only eats white mice... hopefully i'll see something :)

she never been grumpy but she looks very alert and defensive but i dont see any swelling... when i lift her up.. she is very tense..

but i notice that she is going in to shed.. i saw her belly getting a bit pink

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Originally Posted by shaunwithbite

she never been grumpy but she looks very alert and defensive but i dont see any swelling... when i lift her up.. she is very tense..

but i notice that she is going in to shed.. i saw her belly getting a bit pink

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When did you start breeding her??

If your female is still eating that is definately not a pre-lay soak. Most females go off food before they actualy ovulate. After they ovulate they should shed 2 weeks later and then lay 30 days or so after that. It could be a pre-ovelation shed though. You should watch ralph davis' video on palpating to see if she has follicles. You are going to have a lot of questions during this first breeding. I did. Most breeders will tell you that just when you think you know what you are doing you get thrown for a loop. Just be patient. By the way, that is a beautiful Lesser that you have there.

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

If your female is still eating that is definately not a pre-lay soak. Most females go off food before they actualy ovulate. After they ovulate they should shed 2 weeks later and then lay 30 days or so after that. It could be a pre-ovelation shed though. You should watch ralph davis' video on palpating to see if she has follicles. You are going to have a lot of questions during this first breeding. I did. Most breeders will tell you that just when you think you know what you are doing you get thrown for a loop. Just be patient. By the way, that is a beautiful Lesser that you have there.

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thank you... :)

i did try an attempt putting a male in 1-2 months ago.. :)

been out of the country and actually going to put the male back in.. :) until i notice this happening..

i think i'll wait till she sheds... then put the male back in..
but 'what if' it turns out... its a pre-lay... ?.. is it still ok to put the male in?..

you are very right about a lot of questions... hehehee..

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Originally Posted by shaunwithbite

thank you... :)

i did try an attempt putting a male in 1-2 months ago.. :)

been out of the country and actually going to put the male back in.. :) until i notice this happening..

i think i'll wait till she sheds... then put the male back in..
but 'what if' it turns out... its a pre-lay... ?.. is it still ok to put the male in?..

you are very right about a lot of questions... hehehee..

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Once she ovulates she should start refusing him, or, he will not show interest in her. She is most likely right now in the early stages of follicle development. If you observe her enough, you will notice a change in her behaviors. She'll start laying inverted and will probably be a bit restless or seem pissy. If she is developing follicles the male will probably be all over her when you introduce. Make sure you give the male breaks....Like 3 days on and 3 days off. If you go to pull the male and he is locked up with her then pull him when they seperate and give him 3 days off. Just experiment, you will find a method that works.:gj:

@twistedtails:
ahh... oke.. :)

thank very much... you have been a great help... honestly even though i read and watch the videos... i am still clueless.. hehehehe..

i will keep posting her progress :)

Hey by the way, I see that you are in Indonesia. I do the staging and lighting for the annual Indonesian Consulate event in Los Angeles. All the Consulate guys are great people. The Consulate General is awesome too. Keep us posted on your girl. If I can't help you with your questions somebody will be able to.

You have a pair of adult lesser and you didn't tell me? you naughty naughty boy lol.

@hayashi:
i was going to show when you come over this saturday... hehehehehe.. thats for not coming over to long.. heuehuehuehe..

@twisted:
what a small world... btw terima kasih :)

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Originally Posted by shaunwithbite

@hayashi:
i was going to show when you come over this saturday... hehehehehe.. thats for not coming over to long.. heuehuehuehe..

@twisted:
what a small world... btw terima kasih :)

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Sama-sama teman! By the way are you ok over there? I'm sorry to hear about the damage and loss in your country.:tears: I hope the good Lord blesses you guys with all the help and support you need!

hi guys!,..
i was opening the tub she was in... and she was laying inverted?.. is that a good sign... ?.. :)

just a bit confused ... :)

I'd say she's getting ready to ovulate.

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Originally Posted by shaunwithbite

hi guys!,..
i was opening the tub she was in... and she was laying inverted?.. is that a good sign... ?.. :)

just a bit confused ... :)

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From what it sounds like she is well on her way to ovulating. I would continue to pair her until you see an ovulation though. It won't hurt anything. In fact, from what I have been told, it will help push the girl through follicle production. Keep us posted though.

Just curious, i have a normal gilr about 1500 grams... never been with a male, but every once in awhile i open her up and see her curled around her water bowl.... is just a coincedence or is this saying something to me.

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Originally Posted by WildCreations

Just curious, i have a normal gilr about 1500 grams... never been with a male, but every once in awhile i open her up and see her curled around her water bowl.... is just a coincedence or is this saying something to me.

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even with out breeding they still go threw the cycles just like a woman, only i hear that they are the lucky ones and obsorb everything back in if they dont mate instead of releasing it.

Like some other people said, she is probably developing follicles. If she starts getting really pretty, start looking for an ovulation then eggs. Good luck.:gj:

ps. Woooow, not one single third person reference.:D

Sounds like she is running through it all nicely. Congrats, and best of luck... hope you have that incubator fired up! :)

Bruce

i have started to pair her for a about 3 weeks since the waterbowl incident.. :rolleyes:

the male is having a rest... he's very blue... due to sheeding... is it oke to put him in this situation?.. :confused:

3 days on and 3 days off.. :) like suggested.. :D

if ... just if... she is ovulating... how quickly do i have to have a incubator ready?.. 2 days... 10days ... 30days?.. (crossing fingers :please:)

Lesser Platinums

Zeus:
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/a...IMG_2444-1.jpg
he's is very shy... so i only took 2 shots..

Hera:
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/a...IMG_2450-1.jpg
i think she is about 1695grams now

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Originally Posted by shaunwithbite

i have started to pair her for a about 3 weeks since the waterbowl incident.. :rolleyes:

the male is having a rest... he's very blue... due to sheeding... is it oke to put him in this situation?.. :confused:

3 days on and 3 days off.. :) like suggested.. :D

if ... just if... she is ovulating... how quickly do i have to have a incubator ready?.. 2 days... 10days ... 30days?.. (crossing fingers :please:)

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Once you spot the ovulation, she will go into a shed about 2 weeks after. From that point, it's about 30 days give or take a few until eggs. It's always good to have the incubator ready though. I forgot to mention, it's gonna cost a lesser for all the info:D

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Originally Posted by shaunwithbite

i have started to pair her for a about 3 weeks since the waterbowl incident.. :rolleyes:

the male is having a rest... he's very blue... due to sheeding... is it oke to put him in this situation?.. :confused:

3 days on and 3 days off.. :) like suggested.. :D

if ... just if... she is ovulating... how quickly do i have to have a incubator ready?.. 2 days... 10days ... 30days?.. (crossing fingers :please:)

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Once she ovulates you have almost two months before you see eggs. It's better to have the incubator all set up a couple weeks before that just to make sure it holds a constant temp though. Look for the shed after ovulation. Usually it's 30 days after that you'll see eggs like twisted said.

thanks guys!...
i better look for an incubator fast!...

i read in books that they go off food... is it oke to give/offer her food in this time?.. a snack maybe... hehehehe...

I wouldn't try and offer food at this point.

Females will stop eating at this point in the breeding schedule anyways.

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Originally Posted by shaunwithbite

thanks guys!...
i better look for an incubator fast!...

i read in books that they go off food... is it oke to give/offer her food in this time?.. a snack maybe... hehehehe...

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thats was a quick reply :) thanks!.. :)

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Originally Posted by shaunwithbite

thanks guys!...
i better look for an incubator fast!...

i read in books that they go off food... is it oke to give/offer her food in this time?.. a snack maybe... hehehehe...

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If she ovulated, she probably won't eat, but you can try. If you're not sure, always continue to feed her.

latest update:
i put him back with her on wednesday,... checked this morning/ friday... we found spots of blood.. in bedding and a bit in water bowl...
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/a...era/stain2.jpghttp://i909.photobucket.com/albums/a...era/stain1.jpg
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/a...a/IMG_6248.jpg
hope everythings ok.. but we decide to change to paper.. but when we try to touch and lift her it seem that she feeling very sensitive.. wiggling her tummy and hiss... and she never hissed before :(

i hope everythings oke :)

Check the males hemipene...he may have a problem with it.

thank you big guns!..
he is feeling fine but i'll ask the vet to over to check everyone.. by monday :) just to be sure.. :)

better save than sorry :)

almost all my females are leaving trails of blood. its quite normal =]

I saw a vid by Ralph Davis that explained when females musk that they sometimes leave a bit of blood. Not to mention the fact that they lock up for so long. I'm sure if I was locked up for 24 hours I would be a bit irritated too:D

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I saw a vid by Ralph Davis that explained when females musk that they sometimes leave a bit of blood. Not to mention the fact that they lock up for so long. I'm sure if I was locked up for 24 hours I would be a bit irritated too:D

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Originally Posted by envypythons

almost all my females are leaving trails of blood. its quite normal =]

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But Its a Male!

Daniel

because i don't know if it the male or female.. i was introducing him back to her.. so both in the tub :)

i change the substrate to paper so i know if it happens again.. :)

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Originally Posted by shaunwithbite

because i don't know if it the male or female.. i was introducing him back to her.. so both in the tub :)

i change the substrate to paper so i know if it happens again.. :)

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My male had some blood earlier this year after breeding. He is fine now though. I would definately pull him out and inspect his penes...<-----That didn't sound good, did it? Let me rephrase that......You should definately pull your male ball python and inspect his peroductive organs.:D

@twisted:
hahaha... ! the second one sounds much better.. :)
... i suspect that is the female.. she did this before in the middle of the year..