Different ASF?

I have a colony of african soft furred rats but for some reason everytime I see people post pics of theres they all look different from mine. I see alot of them that are multy colored with spots and such but mine are solid gray. All the adults are gray and all the offspring are solid gray in color to. Ive been trying to find some of the multy colored ones to add to my stock but I cant seem to find anyone around with them for sale. Are the mine just not as popular or something?

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Originally Posted by Denial

I have a colony of african soft furred rats but for some reason everytime I see people post pics of theres they all look different from mine. I see alot of them that are multy colored with spots and such but mine are solid gray. All the adults are gray and all the offspring are solid gray in color to. Ive been trying to find some of the multy colored ones to add to my stock but I cant seem to find anyone around with them for sale. Are the mine just not as popular or something?

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Can you post pics ??

All of the ones I have ever seen are spotted/multi colored. Of course, I haven't seen tons of them, but in this part of the world it seems that the majority of them are the ones you don't have. :confused: I'd love to see pics of yours too!

Funny I havent seen a solid gray yet lol. I have a solid cinamon/brown adult female, some of her offsrping are solid brown with a head patch, they look like little gremlins, cute looking, for now anyways...

I dont have a camera anymore but I can try to get some pics with the cell phone tonight when I clean cages. Yea everytime I see a post with someone showing theres they are always multicolored and the ones I bought are all just gray and every offspring theve had has always been gray

This is my original group that I bought. The brown one in the far right seems to be a wild/normal brown (female) type. The one in the far left is the male. Not sure what his genes are and has red eyes. Some of their offsprings look like the mom but with a white patch in their head. So Im guessing he is co-dominant.

The on in the middle is the 2nd female, I searched around the web and she seems to be a "piebald" simple recesive, But a few of her offsprings look just like her, so either the male is het for piebald, or the "piebald" is co-dominant. Im guessing is the first one.

Someone that knows more will pitch in eventualy :)


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Every single one of the ASF's we breed are the piebald type. I think there may have been 1 or 2 out of the many hundred babies that were all brown. None have been all white and none have had red eyes.

We started out with 4 piebald types.

Very interesting.

I have never seen a gray asf. I have the common white/brown ones and some pied with pink eyes.

My personal favorite. Took me FOREVER to make these. Always wanted and all gray / black ASF (All = head and body, ears, tail)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...a/DSC01432.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...a/DSC01438.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

My personal favorite. Took me FOREVER to make these. Always wanted and all gray / black ASF (All = head and body, ears, tail)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...a/DSC01432.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...a/DSC01438.jpg

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Thats what mine look like but I never get any of the pied looking ones.

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Originally Posted by Sarin

Every single one of the ASF's we breed are the piebald type. I think there may have been 1 or 2 out of the many hundred babies that were all brown. None have been all white and none have had red eyes.

We started out with 4 piebald types.

Very interesting.

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I have a couple red eyed ones. Pretty good variety among my brood actually, and haven't. I have these cool grey ones with a thin white line down both sides.

popular opinion is that the selfs (all one color) are the "normal or wild types". And the pied, dilutes, and head stripes are all morphs. Who knows though if this is true.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

popular opinion is that the selfs (all one color) are the "normal or wild types". And the pied, dilutes, and head stripes are all morphs. Who knows though if this is true.

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Ill try to get a few pics up today i have all the colors out there right now :)

There is already a thread on here somewhere that has all that. (having trouble finding it though... I believe I started it)

I have lots of solid grays, some even have a little white patch right between the eyes.
The ones I don't produce often are browns, I've only had a handful of those.

Most of mine are the solid grays, pieds, albinos and solid beige.

Here are a few pics of my rats and one of the set ups i have !

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3959289940/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3959289536/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3958514853/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3958510933/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3958510653/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3959287678/


This is just a few of the 200 i have ! If you want any info i would be happy to help i still have a few issues that go on with mine :( Had a male die and now i have to wait to bring up a male to take his place . I am doing a new colony that will be 9 females and 1 male will see how that goes ")

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

This is just a few of the 200 i have ! If you want any info i would be happy to help i still have a few issues that go on with mine :( Had a male die and now i have to wait to bring up a male to take his place . I am doing a new colony that will be 9 females and 1 male will see how that goes ")

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Good luck with that. 1.9 in what size enclosure? Sounds like youre setting yourself up for a lot of dead pinkies with a 1.9

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Good luck with that. 1.9 in what size enclosure? Sounds like youre setting yourself up for a lot of dead pinkies with a 1.9

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40 breeder i have a buddy that has the same set up and he has been having really good luck with them :)

Alright let us know how that works for you.

Anything more then 1.3 is more waste then it is worth. Been there, done that.

What size enclosure are you talking about anyway? Would love to see your setup that would have enough room for 10 full grown breeders and 120 pinks, fuzzys, hoppers all at once....

With a 1.9 group, less then half of your babies will survive... and the male dying will be normal.

Heres some older pics of when I first picked the asf up.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e5...s/DSC02428.jpg

More than 1/2 those links are broken. Asks for yahoo sign in.

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

Here are a few pics of my rats and one of the set ups i have !

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3959289940/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3959289536/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3958514853/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3958510933/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3958510653/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/42948404@N02/3959287678/


This is just a few of the 200 i have ! If you want any info i would be happy to help i still have a few issues that go on with mine :( Had a male die and now i have to wait to bring up a male to take his place . I am doing a new colony that will be 9 females and 1 male will see how that goes ")

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Im hoping that the diversity of colors/morphs will help prevent in-breeding problems later down the road, but I dont anything about that kind of advance genetics, so any info on this would be much appreciated :).

I dont even know if the parents are related at all. I bought them off a local ASFs breeder/suplier that sells them as F/T over the internet/mail.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

Anything more then 1.3 is more waste then it is worth. Been there, done that.

What size enclosure are you talking about anyway? Would love to see your setup that would have enough room for 10 full grown breeders and 120 pinks, fuzzys, hoppers all at once....

With a 1.9 group, less then half of your babies will survive... and the male dying will be normal.

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I have 1.6 now in a 71q tub and they thrive . I have a 40g breeder tank and a 75g fish tank im not sure what tank im going to use yet !

here are the pics that i put up before hope this works !


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...27-20091-1.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...27-20092-3.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...27-20093-2.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...27-20094-1.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...27-20095-1.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...2-27-20096.jpg

this is one of the racks i use ! I'll try to get some of my other tanks up later !

What tubs are those? where did you get them? thanks!

He's using these, and they cost an arm and a leg unless you can find a great deal on them, but theyre awesome. Local pet shop uses them.

http://www.beanfarm.com/store/agora....r4=Cages&xm=on

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

He's using these, and they cost an arm and a leg unless you can find a great deal on them, but theyre awesome. Local pet shop uses them.

http://www.beanfarm.com/store/agora....r4=Cages&xm=on

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omg thats crazy those things are so expensive.

Thats it's crazy. Im sure someone knows where to get them cheaper?! I hope :)

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

He's using these, and they cost an arm and a leg unless you can find a great deal on them, but theyre awesome. Local pet shop uses them.

http://www.beanfarm.com/store/agora....r4=Cages&xm=on

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Originally Posted by Denial

omg thats crazy those things are so expensive.

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Originally Posted by Danounet

Thats it's crazy. Im sure someone knows where to get them cheaper?! I hope :)

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I found a pet store going out of business and bought a few i talked to her yesterday and im going to pick up a few more i payed almost nothing for them !

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Originally Posted by Danounet

Thats it's crazy. Im sure someone knows where to get them cheaper?! I hope :)

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ive seen some for sale at shows before for a bit cheaper used but for the price of a couple new ones you could build you a nice larger rack

Well lucky you!! :gj:

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

I found a pet store going out of business and bought a few i talked to her yesterday and im going to pick up a few more i payed almost nothing for them !

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Oh no I dont wanna a rack of rats! I dont have space in my apparment and I only have 3 and soon 4 BPs =)

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Originally Posted by Denial

ive seen some for sale at shows before for a bit cheaper used but for the price of a couple new ones you could build you a nice larger rack

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oh man I couldnt breed rats in an apartment lol I could barely stand having my snakes in an apartment with me. Ill have to post some pics up of our bedroom when we lived in an apartment lol. you get creative with snake cages in tiny spaces

Lol tell me about it. Im ashame to post any pics! Hopefuly Ill be moving by the end of the year.

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Originally Posted by Denial

oh man I couldnt breed rats in an apartment lol I could barely stand having my snakes in an apartment with me. Ill have to post some pics up of our bedroom when we lived in an apartment lol. you get creative with snake cages in tiny spaces

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lol i have to take a few pics of my place :rolleye2:

the 10g 1.2 ASF tank is no much of a problem. But Im still wondering where ill place the 2 weanling tubs... :rolleye2: