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  • 09-23-2009, 10:01 PM
    puma
    My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    This is my first ball, I bought him as a normal and I got it from a pet store that was trying to breed pastels. My BP just looks a lot light than normal BP. My snake in the picture is darker than normally because he is shedding soon. btw the pictures cam from a camera phone :( Sorry I dont know how to post pictures...

    http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/a...0923092141.jpg

    http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/a...923092140a.jpg

    http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/a...0923092140.jpg
  • 09-23-2009, 10:07 PM
    Elise.m
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    I'd say that's a normal, but wow his coloration is crazy... He almost looks like he might have a little paradox in him.

    Edit: Has he always had those lighter spots on him, or is that the shed making him look darker in some areas?
  • 09-23-2009, 10:20 PM
    AaronP
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    That's pretty crazy coloring...I wish you could get better pics.
  • 09-23-2009, 10:26 PM
    puma
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    He has always had those lighter areas, he is darker than normal because of the shed he is a little lighter after sheds. Ive just been reading and looking up morphs and ive been just curious because the coloration is so different.

    Edit: my memory card for my digtal camera is in my car i was to lazy to get it but i am going to go get it and take better pics.
  • 09-23-2009, 10:34 PM
    Elise.m
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    I'll be interested to see what he looks like after he sheds. If he continues to have that light/dark combo going on, it's possible he's got a little paradox on him.

    He's a pretty one!
  • 09-23-2009, 10:46 PM
    drucebennedict
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    His pattern and colors are just...wow. :D
    I'd love to see a post shed picture!
  • 09-24-2009, 01:48 PM
    HerpKeeperVA
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    Wow, he's pretty cool looking! We definitely need more pics!
  • 09-24-2009, 01:50 PM
    Oxylepy
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    This is the first time I have seen a picture that someone was asking if it was a morph that I actually think may be.

    I would suggest breeding it out to find out, it could be a recessive trait, but who knows. I'd love to see it prove out.
  • 09-24-2009, 01:54 PM
    Jyson
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    W:OW! Looks all paradoxy to me. Either way hes got it going on. :D
  • 09-24-2009, 02:19 PM
    cornball252
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    looks like a ugly pastel to me.. not sure though breed it to see if it is.
  • 09-24-2009, 02:28 PM
    Oxylepy
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cornball252 View Post
    looks like a ugly pastel to me.. not sure though breed it to see if it is.

    Isn't one of the defining characteristics of a pastel it's blushing? This snake has almost no blushing and seems to be almost solid black or at most has the fading of a normal. The area that is seeing blushing is the pattern, which doesn't happen normally in a pastel (or at least isn't part of the traits commonly associated with pastels).
  • 09-24-2009, 02:35 PM
    Spaniard
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oxylepy View Post
    Isn't one of the defining characteristics of a pastel it's blushing? This snake has almost no blushing and seems to be almost solid black or at most has the fading of a normal. The area that is seeing blushing is the pattern, which doesn't happen normally in a pastel (or at least isn't part of the traits commonly associated with pastels).

    A blushed head, and green eyes, and white belly along with the yellow coloration is what defines a pastel. There are various lines that have different characteristics though.

    Typically Nerd Lemons have lots of contrast between black and yellow but not as much blushing as you would see on a graziani pastel. At this point the lines don't really matter as much as the individual animal but you can have a pastel with not so much blushing.
  • 09-24-2009, 02:37 PM
    Oxylepy
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    It doesn't much look like the snake has a blushed head either :/
  • 09-24-2009, 02:41 PM
    Spaniard
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oxylepy View Post
    It doesn't much look like the snake has a blushed head either :/

    I don't think the posted snake is a pastel either.

    It could be one of those weird situations where the pigmentation didn't produce itself well in those areas during shed. There was a member here that had a spider go from normal to looking axanthic after a shed and then slowly gain its color back during subsequent sheds.

    Edit: Here's the spider thread...

    http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=62581
  • 09-24-2009, 03:22 PM
    creole_89
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    LOOKS LIKE MY FEMALE BP ((CREOLE)) ;) Maybe we should breed one day

    http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7875/001oi.jpghttp://img213.imageshack.us/img213/0...pg/1/w1200.png
  • 09-24-2009, 03:33 PM
    Oxylepy
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    I don't think the posted snake is a pastel either.

    It could be one of those weird situations where the pigmentation didn't produce itself well in those areas during shed. There was a member here that had a spider go from normal to looking axanthic after a shed and then slowly gain its color back during subsequent sheds.

    Edit: Here's the spider thread...

    http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=62581

    He said it's always had that coloration, thus opening the possibility that it could be a morph, or it might just be a kooky flaw in protein production that happened when it was developing and had this visible effect on it.

    Or a Paradox.
  • 09-24-2009, 05:37 PM
    SlitherinSisters
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    The coloring looks interesting. If you get a better picture (lighting/coloring) be sure to post it!!!
  • 09-26-2009, 10:22 AM
    Royal Exotics
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    any new updated pics?:D
  • 09-27-2009, 12:05 AM
    Lolo76
    Re: My BP looks lighter than normal is a morph or het?
    Call me crazy, but I think it kinda looks like a Vanilla BP: http://www.reddogreptiles.com/images...nilla-ball.jpg

    Since he came from a pet shop, most likely it's just a VERY cool looking normal... you should breed him, and see if the coloring is genetic! ;)
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