What would be the best looking black pastel to you?

I think the next BP I get (within a couple years) will be a black pastel since I think they're gorgeous and isn't the super form the same as the cinny's super? An all black snake. Anyway, what would be the best looking black pastel to you?

This is ours, I think he is a fine specimen.... He is what I would consider a perfect black pastel, and a chance to brag a little as well.... :D
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...l/IMG_3017.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...l/IMG_3043.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...l/IMG_3020.jpg

This girl right here. :P

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...l-gypsy-08.jpg

Really need to get some updated shots of her, she's over 1000 grams now.

Heh,

I admit to being biased but I'm rather partial to my little guy. :wuv:

http://satanswombat.googlepages.com/Rowanarrival9.jpg


dr del

This guy right here.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...-3-2008005.jpg
I really do prefer Black Pastels over Cinnamons. Great looking Black Pastels everyone.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

I think the next BP I get (within a couple years) will be a black pastel since I think they're gorgeous and isn't the super form the same as the cinny's super? An all black snake. Anyway, what would be the best looking black pastel to you?

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the super form of the black pastel would tend to be darker than the super cinny.

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Originally Posted by twh

the super form of the black pastel would tend to be darker than the super cinny.

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Would it also be cleaner? In other words, if bred with a black pastel x pastel and you got a silver bullet out of it would it be less likely to get the spots?

Ian G's line is the best for my money when you consider pattern, color, contrast -- and they make a Super with a PERFECT face/head. :D

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Would it also be cleaner? In other words, if bred with a black pastel x pastel and you got a silver bullet out of it would it be less likely to get the spots?

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If you breed a Black Pastel x Pastel you would get a Pewter not a Silver Pullet.
Here are a few pictures of my Pewter female from a Black Pastel x Pastel
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...l/DSC01311.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...l/DSC01307.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...l/DSC01309.jpg

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Ian G's line is the best for my money when you consider pattern, color, contrast -- and they make a Super with a PERFECT face/head. :D

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I would have to agree. My Black Pastel male is from Ian G's line and my Pewter female is from his line of Black Pastels also.

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Originally Posted by Repsrul

If you breed a Black Pastel x Pastel you would get a Pewter not a Silver Pullet.
Here are a few pictures of my Pewter female from a Black Pastel x Pastel

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No no no, I thought I worded that poorly. I mean if you bred a black pastel to a pewter and I was trying to say that you're using a black pastel pewter, not a cinnamon pewter. Breeding a black pastel to a black pastel x pastel.

Here's my GCR line Black Pastels. They are from the same group as Ian G's line BTW. ;)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...s/IMG_3459.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...s/IMG_4478.jpg

and the '09 0.1 Super Black they produced this year:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...s/IMG_4587.jpg

To the OP that's an awesome animal you have- lovin' the infinity symbol, my male has that mark too.

You mean thatkindofgirl ;)

I don't have a black pastel.... yet.

Also I am loving that super black pastel. It's spectacular.

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Originally Posted by NorthernRegius

Here's my GCR line Black Pastels. They are from the same group as Ian G's line BTW. ;)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...s/IMG_3459.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...s/IMG_4478.jpg

and the '09 0.1 Super Black they produced this year:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...s/IMG_4587.jpg

To the OP that's an awesome animal you have- lovin' the infinity symbol, my male has that mark too.

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Different animal. Long story short -- Ian sold all of what would become the CG line shortly after importing the original animals and hatching a few clutches. These animals were originally named/known as Labyrinths. He began working with with a different imported animal which he proved and THAT line become the Ian G. line of Balck Pastels.

I have one CG Black female that has given me 2 nice clutches the last 2 seasons. I am VERY happy with her as a breeder. :) However, she looks different, her hatchlings look different, and her combos look different than do Ian's line. I have spoken to Ian directly about the history of both lines.

I would not hesitate to breed for a Super with Ian's line. :D

I have a 1.1 from Gulf Coast and both of mine are beautiful...the female has a partial black back.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3516/...afa85e259d.jpg
1.0
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2425/...530bcf9fed.jpg
0.1

The best looking one is the one that appeals to YOU.

When I was in the market for black pastel I was looking for something dark and orangey with some striping and I ended up with this boy.

http://stewartreptiles.com/wordpress...ckpastel01.jpg

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Different animal. Long story short -- Ian sold all of what would become the CG line shortly after importing the original animals and hatching a few clutches. These animals were originally named/known as Labyrinths. He began working with with a different imported animal which he proved and THAT line become the Ian G. line of Balck Pastels.

I have one CG Black female that has given me 2 nice clutches the last 2 seasons. I am VERY happy with her as a breeder. :) However, she looks different, her hatchlings look different, and her combos look different than do Ian's line. I have spoken to Ian directly about the history of both lines.

... :D

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Wow according to Chris at GCR, both Ian G's Super Black & his Sliver Bullet was made with animals from the same group as my male? Guess he didn't know about the later group.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

You mean thatkindofgirl ;)

I don't have a black pastel.... yet.

Also I am loving that super black pastel. It's spectacular.

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Oops, well I don't doubt you will have one soon!

If you like the Super, check this guy out! He's her half brother (same dad) produced in '08:
Baby shot-
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...s/IMG_4447.jpg
Last week-
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...s/IMG_4603.jpg

IMHO Ian G or GCR both have some of the coolest patterned Black Pastels out there. My boy throws allot of ringers to which is fun. 3 in the '09 & 3 last year too.

Here's mine. I love her.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Jagcbw/021-1.jpg

Wow, these are all beautiful snakes - especially that pewter! :):) So, cinnamon and black pastel are different morphs, right? But they produce the same combos, when combined with a pastel or black pastel / cinnie? I'm so confused, LOL. :oops:

These are both from Ian G.
Female is 1275 grams and male is 750 grams
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...0543Medium.jpg

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Originally Posted by Lolo76

Wow, these are all beautiful snakes - especially that pewter! :):) So, cinnamon and black pastel are different morphs, right? But they produce the same combos, when combined with a pastel or black pastel / cinnie? I'm so confused, LOL. :oops:

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The colour cast for Cinnies is warmer than Black Pastels. Example:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...IMG_4555-1.jpg

The outter snake is a Cinny Pewter & the middle one is a Black Pewter. Note the more Silvery undertones on the Black Pewter & you saw one of my Black Supers... Super Cinnys have warmer undertones - Browner looking Supers. I like both for different things. I'm going to make Sterlings with the Cinny Pewter, Sliver Bullets & Streaks with the Black Pewter.

Is there a silver bullet Black Pastel yet? I'm hoping that it will result in a cleaner snake (entirely silver with no splotches)

http://www.stalkerzone.dk/upload/blck_pastel.jpg

This Black Pastel was hatched by a guy called Mattias from Sweden, and is really the most pretty Black Pastel ever! :)
Had to share :cool:

Here ya go

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...1/blackpas.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...d1/blkpas2.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...d1/blkpas1.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...nd1/blkpas.jpg

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Originally Posted by spk329

Here ya go

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...1/blackpas.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...d1/blkpas2.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...d1/blkpas1.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...nd1/blkpas.jpg

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Yes, I'm necro-posting. I just really want to know what line of black pastel this is. :P

I think my girl Chevelle is the BEST looking Black Pastel!

When I got her in November!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...s/Chevelle.jpg

Now
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...s/04-08-11.jpg

Thank you Rockstar Reptile!
www.rockstarreptile.com

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Originally Posted by Quiet Tempest

Yes, I'm necro-posting. I just really want to know what line of black pastel this is. :P

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lol, whatever line it's a beauty!

I posted a crappy picture of those black pastels so maybe since you brought it up I'll re-post the female black pastel, lol.

In glow in this pic, about 2300 grams and has ovulated as of this past week...:)
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...t/PICT5858.jpg

I am really partial to both Derek and Steve's Black Pastels.

In my opinion, both are stellar example of the morph, and both are references for me if I ever decide to add one to my collection.

Gale

Thank you, :)

But I think he got totally blown away by a couple of his daughters;

I kept this one. :wuv:
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3...male10bp32.jpg

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/3...31female02.jpg


dr del

I really love black pastels. It seems so many people just overlook them. I have a black pastel female and a lesser coming my way that will be the center of my future projects.
In summery: Yippy for black pastels!!:gj:

Here's my boy; Ian G line and he's 100% het piebald.

http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/...i/P1000729.jpg

http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/...i/P1000730.jpg

http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/...i/P1000755.jpg

A female hold back from our Ian G. Line Black pastel 100% het hypo X Normal(Possible Granite)

900 gram Aug. 2010 Black pastel 50% het hypo
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...h/PICT6938.jpg

What are the known lines of black pastel out there? What are the defining characteristics of each?

mine is the best to me

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/y...s/DSCN0164.jpg

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Originally Posted by Quiet Tempest

Yes, I'm necro-posting. I just really want to know what line of black pastel this is. :P

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Pretty sure that's a Liesen Line Black Pastel.