What are the visible differences between Butters and Lessers?

Because I have seen a lot of obvious "oh thats a butter" or "yup that's a lesser" but at the same time there seems to be a point where they overlap, and the more of each I see the larger that overlapping seems to be.

Any help?

Hi,

I wish I could help you but, frankly, I just plain can't tell the difference.

I read that butters have more or richer yellow but when I look at my lesser and pictures online it almost looks to me as though the ones that people call butters have less yellow and look greyer on the sides to me. :confused:

I thought for a while that butters had more alien eyes but then I have seen lessers (or declared lessers ) with loads of alien eyes too. :slamhead:

I look forward to the replies that explain it - hopefully with pictures. :please:


dr del

Im 100% sure they are the same morph but people cant let it go and face the facts same morph different name.

Oh thats an easy one..

This is a lesser
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...s/DSC_0143.jpg

and this is a butter
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...met-butter.jpg

Ok no I'm playing I have a really hard time.. Darker lessers look like Butters and light Butters look like lessers.

Well I've never seen a butter and a lesser, in person, side by side. But I have seen a pastel/butter and pastel/lesser side by side and in my opinion the lesser had more of a vibrant yellow to it. But if i wasn't told from the get go which was which I wouldn't have been able to say. And we all know that yellows vary even among pastels????

I don't own any lessers, but here are two pictures of a butter:

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/d...9/000_0067.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/d...9/000_0068.jpg

my butter....looks like freakie's lesser....lol

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...06/Butter1.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...06/butter3.jpg

They are so close they are virtually the same. I doubt anyone can tell the difference reliably.

I don't have a Lesser but I do have a Butter.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...Pythons011.jpg
On most of the Lessers I have see they have a more yellowish outline on their patterns.

The frame of thought usually is Butter, lesser then mojave as far as yellow intensity from the white producing snakes. But lessers and butters are real close and most believe they are one in the same. But there are different lesser lines as well. RDR and African line. One is more blushed and one is higher yellow. The RDR makes nicer Queen bees.

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Originally Posted by Repsrul

I don't have a Lesser but I do have a Butter.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...Pythons011.jpg
On most of the Lessers I have see they have a more yellowish outline on their patterns.

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Nice pattern.. I really dig the banding.

Sometimes roughly $150-$200.;)

I could never see a difference. The differences I notice between a butter and a lesser are about the same as I see from lesser to another lesser. I've always been convinced that they are the same. I'd like to see if Ralph can make a mojave daddy. I think that if he can't, than they are definitely the same mutation. But even if he can that still doesn't prove that they are different.

Thanks! That is one of the reasons I picked him up. The pattern on this guy is pretty neat looking.

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Originally Posted by iCandiBallPythons

Nice pattern.. I really dig the banding.

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ive never seen a lesser in person, ive read that lessers can get sorta green as they age.
My butter
http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/o...9/DSC01501.jpg

you might as well see them as different lines of the same morph, heck if you ask me they are the same morph, but lets not start that debate.

sure theres going to be examples of rich gold butters vs bright tan lesser, like there is bright yellow lemon pastels and great blushing Graziani pastels, but most of them kinda look the same.

oh and stated b4, the difference of 150-200 bucks lol, i liked that one, but true

What makes it even hard to tell is when you breed a lesser to butter, and produced non-white snakes. So how do you tell if its a lesser or a butter from the said clutch?

Which is part of the issue since there was the whole RDR identifying a snake as a butter off a Platty Daddy x Butter clutch... that shouldn't even be a possibility if the traits exist at the same locus as everyone seems to claim they do.

But anyway... I think the lesser I'm getting is brilliant, not as creamy as the rest but more contrast on him.

And for a long time I could visibly identify Butters and Lessers based on the fact that butters had an almost caramel colour on them while lessers tended to have a faded black/brown colour and then the lessers seemed to have more white rising up the sides.

But some of the recent pictures I have been seeing have completely thrown me off.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Because I have seen a lot of obvious "oh thats a butter" or "yup that's a lesser" but at the same time there seems to be a point where they overlap, and the more of each I see the larger that overlapping seems to be.

Any help?

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Glad Im not the only one that sometimes gets them confused hehehe