Red Spectrum....?

I was speaking with a local breeder and he mentioned something about a new morph that is being kept quiet called the red spectrum. Anybody else hear about these?

They are said to be co-dom and red and white and the superform resembles a superstripe but red and white in color.

I'd love to see a picture!

I some how doubt that, considering we haven't had a morph yet that had what could remotely be considered red. It's also widely believed that Ball Pythons simply don't have any form of red pigment.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I some how doubt that, considering we haven't had a morph yet that had what could remotely be considered red. It's also widely believed that Ball Pythons simply don't have any form of red pigment.

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I was told there will be a picture in the Yearly edition of Reptile magazine. But I am asking simply because I haven't seen it for myself and was told this.

Either way, it would be awesome to know.

The reddest I have seen was red-brown on the red axanthics. It sounds a little dubious, but hey, who knows.

if its trying to be kept quiet, there is little to no chance of u finding a picture here

and i wouldnt count out that alligation just yet, bc even the most experienced BP owners learn something new all the time :gj:

just bc u havent seen it, or heard of it, doesnt mean its not out there

just wait and see ^-^

There is a red spectrum. It's owned and produced by NERD. At least two exist, at least according to a certain calendar...I took a few photos of the animals from the calendar. Here's the only decent one. Sorry for the poor quality; my camera washed out some of the red hues, but there are indeed very washed out reds in the animals. They somehow manage not to look pink. They're rather beautiful, actually.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...rumpicture.jpg

BP's, depending on their colors, remind me of desserts. Example, normals remind me of cinnamon buns. Those.... are Twinkies

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Originally Posted by TheLaughingDemon

BP's, depending on their colors, remind me of desserts. Example, normals remind me of cinnamon buns. Those.... are Twinkies

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LOL
and BELs are just sugar sticks ^-^
OMG and caramals are also caramal sticks!!
and guess what butters are?!?! u guessed it! butter sticks :O

lolllllllll twinkies made me laugh

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Originally Posted by Seneschal

There is a red spectrum. It's owned and produced by NERD. At least two exist, at least according to a certain calendar...I took a few photos of the animals from the calendar. Here's the only decent one. Sorry for the poor quality; my camera washed out some of the red hues, but there are indeed very washed out reds in the animals. They somehow manage not to look pink. They're rather beautiful, actually.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...rumpicture.jpg

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Does the calendar lend any info on their genetic background?

Looks like a reddish Mystic Potion. I bet it's a Mojave crossed with something similar to a Mystic. I have no idea though, haha, this is the first I've heard of the Red Spectrum.

Cheers,
-Matt

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Does the calendar lend any info on their genetic background?

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Nope. Just said that they're owned by NERD. You could contact them to ask about it, or hope they see this thread and decide to throw us a bone, lol. Oh! As I recall, this came out in late 2007/early 2008, so I assume that the red spectrum was existant in 2007, possibly beforehand. I have my suspicions about what might be involved, but I don't know for sure and so won't speculate in such a manner as might spread rumors.

I also heard that one of our own members on here may have one acquired through trade... but wont put it out there.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I some how doubt that, considering we haven't had a morph yet that had what could remotely be considered red. It's also widely believed that Ball Pythons simply don't have any form of red pigment.

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The 'Viper' ball has red, only problem is it hasn't reproduced as far as I know.

Google Images gave me this site:
http://www.exoticsbynature.com/07tinleyphotos.html

If you scroll down you can find a bunch of pictures... And those are from 2007, so obviously they have been around a little while. I wouldn't exactly call them "red and white", but they are definately cool.

There are more pictures here:

http://www.exoticsbynature.com/07tinleyphotos.html

Also, I found some info here:

http://www.snake-zone.com/genetics/list/209/

This states that it is a lesser x yellowbelly......can it be that simple???

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Originally Posted by astaley

There are more pictures here:

http://www.exoticsbynature.com/07tinleyphotos.html

Also, I found some info here:

http://www.snake-zone.com/genetics/list/209/

This states that it is a lesser x yellowbelly......can it be that simple???

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Strange... but it seems true and quite simple.
I'm just surprised that they aren't more popular. Maybe they look bad as adults?

Well now I'm kind of excited but also kind of disappointed at the same time.

I have a lesser and a yellowbelly so I could make these, but they aren't a new base morph like he tried to say.

They are produced with a lesser + hidden gene woma and a few other things. there are currently lesser yellowbellies for sale on some of the internet sites and they look nothing like these Red Spectrum. We are starting to see some "red" ball python combos. The Red spectrum are definitely red along with the Mojave/Enchi combo.

crystal palace reptiles has mojaves with red bellies
http://www.crystalpalacereptiles.com...ls.php?album=7

It's a cool looking animal but that's very far from what I'd call a red ball python.

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Originally Posted by roadrunner

They are produced with a lesser + hidden gene woma and a few other things. there are currently lesser yellowbellies for sale on some of the internet sites and they look nothing like these Red Spectrum. We are starting to see some "red" ball python combos. The Red spectrum are definitely red along with the Mojave/Enchi combo.

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Yeah, I was pretty sure it wasn't quite that easy. Kevin seems to have a lot of stuff that he doesn't give the recipe for. :(

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Originally Posted by Kryptonian

crystal palace reptiles has mojaves with red bellies
http://www.crystalpalacereptiles.com...ls.php?album=7

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The red belly is some form of dying the ball pythons belly. The belly will not stay like that. I have heard of people using iodine baths which turns there belly red.

I heard it's a Lesser x Yellow Belly, but the Lesser needs the 'hidden platty daddy gene'

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Originally Posted by pankthesnake

I heard it's a Lesser x Yellow Belly, but the Lesser needs the 'hidden platty daddy gene'

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A lesser with the platty daddy hidden gene would then be a Platty Daddy. :confused:

Unless Kevin tells all, we will more than likely never know.... :taz:

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Originally Posted by Kryptonian

crystal palace reptiles has mojaves with red bellies
http://www.crystalpalacereptiles.com...ls.php?album=7

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I'm pretty sure that's not a natural trait and Pulcher is right about they dying thing. Though I don't think dying a living animal in iodine would be too healthy..

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

A lesser with the platty daddy hidden gene would then be a Platty Daddy. :confused:

Unless Kevin tells all, we will more than likely never know.... :taz:

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I'm no expert by any means, and I'm probably wrong here, but I thought it needed a pair of hidden genes to be a platty daddy. More info on this hidden gene would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I'm pretty sure that's not a natural trait and Pulcher is right about they dying thing. Though I don't think dying a living animal in iodine would be too healthy..

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I have heard iodine baths are given to wc babies, to remove mites and ticks.

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Originally Posted by pankthesnake

I'm no expert by any means, and I'm probably wrong here, but I thought it needed a pair of hidden genes to be a platty daddy. More info on this hidden gene would be appreciated.

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There is another thread open right now about the platty daddy. check it out here: http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=101923

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Originally Posted by pankthesnake

I'm no expert by any means, and I'm probably wrong here, but I thought it needed a pair of hidden genes to be a platty daddy. More info on this hidden gene would be appreciated.

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Nope daddy complex is as so, as told by Ralph Davis:

"Daddy Gene" Carrier - Visual Normal x Lesser Platinum = Platinum aka Platty Daddy
"Daddy Gene" Carrier - Visual Normal x Butter = Butter Daddy

Platty Daddy aka Platinum x Normal (No Special Genes) = Lesser Platinums & "Daddy Gene" Carriers that are Visual Normals.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

I have heard iodine baths are given to wc babies, to remove mites and ticks.

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Well maybe for Ticks, but that wouldn't make sense to do it for Mites, mites come from Asia and do not naturally occur in Africa.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Nope daddy complex is as so, as told by Ralph Davis:

"Daddy Gene" Carrier - Visual Normal x Lesser Platinum = Platinum aka Platty Daddy
"Daddy Gene" Carrier - Visual Normal x Butter = Butter Daddy

Platty Daddy aka Platinum x Normal (No Special Genes) = Lesser Platinums & "Daddy Gene" Carriers that are Visual Normals.



Well maybe for Ticks, but that wouldn't make sense to do it for Mites, mites come from Asia and do not naturally occur in Africa.

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That, and the link to the thread posted by Turbo Serpent, suggest that a lesser has to be homozygous 'hidden gene' to be a platty daddy.

But my original point was, and perhaps I didn't word it very well, was that a yellow belly x lesser that is het 'hidden gene' was used to create the Red Spectrum. i don't know if this is true, and as previously stated in this thread, Kevin is not currently revealing that information so no-one knows for sure.

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Originally Posted by pankthesnake

That, and the link to the thread posted by Turbo Serpent, suggest that a lesser has to be homozygous 'hidden gene' to be a platty daddy.

But my original point was, and perhaps I didn't word it very well, was that a yellow belly x lesser that is het 'hidden gene' was used to create the Red Spectrum. i don't know if this is true, and as previously stated in this thread, Kevin is not currently revealing that information so no-one knows for sure.

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The more insightful theory of the platty daddy is that it is also a part of the BEL complex and is co-dom (dominant), therefor the lesser cannot carry the gene without expressing it in the form of the platty daddy. Otherwise people would be breeding two lessers together to get plattys, which has never happened.

All of the lessers currently existing came from the platty daddy, so from all of the breedings it should've happened, but it only happens from the normal looking offspring back to lessers. Similar to the phantom genetics in the oddity of the BEL complex. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

All of the lessers currently existing came from the platty daddy

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Actually that isn't necessarily true, there have been more imported since Ralph Davis's original Platty Daddy, there was even a HUGE controversy over it when they started showing up in Europe long before they were ever exported over there from the US.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Actually that isn't necessarily true, there have been more imported since Ralph Davis's original Platty Daddy, there was even a HUGE controversy over it when they started showing up in Europe long before they were ever exported over there from the US.

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Derek made a reference to that in the other thread. :gj:

I was simply making a point.

Red axanthic X Lesser thats what it is .......i asked the same question along time ago ..!:banana:

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Originally Posted by Anarchy

Red axanthic X Lesser thats what it is .......i asked the same question along time ago ..!:banana:

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What was your source for this information?

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

I have heard iodine baths are given to wc babies, to remove mites and ticks.

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Yes and thats why you see "weird" colored WC babies fo sale all the time. People try to pass them off as a dinker and they are about as normal as can be.

I may be waaaay out on this one, but I "heard" that there may be a super form to the Red Axanthic. Anyone else aware of this? Also, if I wanted to get some feedback on some imported oddities I've purchased in the past year or so where would I post them? I don't want to get this thread off track.

I tought the red spectrum had a Woma HG in them ?

When you look at the Woma HG + Lesser, it make a nice stripe etc... and a bit similar to the red spectrum. So adding the YB would make sense isn't it ?

I will doubt the Red Axanthic is part of this since Red Axanthic is a lack of red pigmentation, how could there be red in the red spectrum ?

alright dont believe belive me i asked this question in this very forum last year and got the answer im telling you guys lesser X red axanthic is the mix or i think its the het red axanthic X Lesser .......

ok maybe i was wrong...................................:P:rolleyes::P:rolleyes:

Didn't say you were wrong. Just that I didn't think so.

I am hard to get convinced until I have the proof :D