Lesser and Piebalds crossings?

Hello BP'ers 8)

Cant seem to figure this out.
What could i get and with what odds will i have with crossing:

Lesser Pastel x Lesser
Lesser Pastel x Lemon Pastel

And havent seen any Piebald x Lesser crossings, how would that turn out? A Piebald with Lesser markings or?

Thanks in advance, regards Mads!

Male = Pastel, Lesser
Female = Lesser

Offspring predicted as:

---------------------------------------------------
12,50% Normal
12,50% Pastel
25,00% Lesser
25,00% Pastel, Lesser
12,50% Blue Eyed Leucistic
12,50% Pastel, Blue Eyed Leucistic

The same for the Lemon Pastel thats just another line of pastel..

Ralph made some Pied lessers some time back...
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/lesser-pied/

its not the same

Lesser Pastel x Lesser

12.5% Normal
12.5% Pastel
25% Lesser
25% Lesser Pastel
12.5% BEL
12.5% Pastel BEL

Lesser Pastel x Lemon Pastel

12.5% Normal
25% Pastel
12.5% Super Pastel
12.5% Lesser
25% Lesser Pastel
12.5% Super Pastel Lesser (I donno if this has been made yet? if it has I wanna see pics)

Thanks for the quick answers guys.

Well is there any difference in the apperance of a Pastel BEL and a normal BEL?

The Pastel Lesser that i could get from pairing a Pastel Lesser x Lemon Pastel, would have a good chance for getting the Lemon-color in the Lesser Pastel right?
Didnt knew i had a chance for producing a normal Super Pastel to, thats kinda awesome :)
And Super Pastel Lessers has been produced saw several on the net, and the first in Denmark even hatched here a couple of days ago! 8)

EDIT: So judging from the video a Piebald with Lesser-markings has never been produced? Maybe they'll all turn out pure white?

Here is the Lesser Pied produced by Ralph Davis in 2007
YouTube - 07 - Piebald Lesser Platty

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

its not the same

Lesser Pastel x Lesser

12.5% Normal
12.5% Pastel
25% Lesser
25% Lesser Pastel
12.5% BEL
12.5% Pastel BEL

Lesser Pastel x Lemon Pastel

12.5% Normal
25% Pastel
12.5% Super Pastel
12.5% Lesser
25% Lesser Pastel
12.5% Super Pastel Lesser (I donno if this has been made yet? if it has I wanna see pics)

---

Sorry my mistake.. it has bin a long way home after the hamm show..

I miss read the last part.. :)

wouldn't that be a super lesser pied?

i would like to see an acutal pied with the coloring of the lesser.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lucas339

wouldn't that be a super lesser pied?

i would like to see an acutal pied with the coloring of the lesser.

---

no thats a lesser pied its just all white
in the video he says that

Adam Wysocki at 8 Balls claimed on another post that Lesser Pieds that were not all white have been produced, I PM'd him for more info and never got a reply so who knows!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Danish newb

Well is there any difference in the apperance of a Pastel BEL and a normal BEL?

---

the only Pastel BEL I've ever seen was a super mojave pastel and it cleaned up its dirtiness a little bit, but still wasn't pure white.

I don't know if anyones made anything other BEL with pastel, i wouldn't see the point besides offspring would look cooler. but i can't see the BEL looking any different since it lacks all pigment anyways,

looks sweet I guess he pied part would not be proven until he breeds it back to a pied and get all pied and pesser pieds..

I wonder what a butter pied would look like :) future plan :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by nixer

no thats a lesser pied its just all white
in the video he says that

---

i guarantee RDR made that from a less het pied X lesser het pied making it a super lesser pied. it doesn't make sense that a lesser cross would end up all white without it being a super.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lucas339

i guarantee RDR made that from a less het pied X lesser het pied making it a super lesser pied. it doesn't make sense that a lesser cross would end up all white without it being a super.

---

How do you guarantee that? The clutch listed first on this page, along with the photo of the mother on the eggs and the sibs. The lesser gene has proven to be more than just a simple co-dom. The normal offspring of a platinum carries the gene for platinum while lessers do not. A lesser crossed with a phantom, whose own super form is something entirely different, also produces a white snake. There's no reason that that same odd trait could produce a white animal when mixed with piebald as well.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sprinkles

The normal offspring of a platinum carries the gene for platinum while lessers do not.

---

Straight from Ralph's site:

Quote:

---

I bred Lesser x normal looking sibling and produced Lessers, Normals and "Platty Daddys"

---

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...s/platinum.asp

Yeah, the Lessers (the ones from the platty) are het for a recessive gene that brightens up colours.

YouTube - 09 clutch # 16 "Daddy"

That video gives more proof that it's a recessive gene that will act on other morphs (the butter-daddy).

As for it being entirely white: it could be a supper lesser (BEL) or it could be an all white pied (in which case it's eyes may not be blue, although there is still a possibility, someone would need to confirm this with a pied over the eyes snake). The hidden gene has NOTHING to do with producing a BEL.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Straight from Ralph's site:


http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...s/platinum.asp

Yeah, the Lessers (the ones from the platty) are het for a recessive gene that brightens up colours.

---

That's what I said: platinums are only produced from a lesser to a normal sib. You could breed that same lesser to a normal that was not the offspring of a platinum and you would only get lessers and normals.

But if you bred those third generation snakes back to their parent or to a platty daddy you could get a platty daddy.

It sounds as if you're saying that Lessers from a Platty Daddy clutch do not have the hidden gene, when in reality EVERY one of the offspring from a Platty are ALL het for the hidden gene, the normals and the Lessers.

One of the nice things about this is: You can breed your own Lesser to another Lesser and happen to get a Daddy, or you can even breed your own Lesser to a seemingly normal ball and get a Daddy. I believe every Lesser is from the Daddy, and there are a lot of people with Lessers right now and a lot of normal offspring from Lessers, so you can never really know if you have one with the hidden trait or not.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

But if you bred those third generation snakes back to their parent or to a platty daddy you could get a platty daddy.

It sounds as if you're saying that Lessers from a Platty Daddy clutch do not have the hidden gene, when in reality EVERY one of the offspring from a Platty are ALL het for the hidden gene, the normals and the Lessers.

One of the nice things about this is: You can breed your own Lesser to another Lesser and happen to get a Daddy, or you can even breed your own Lesser to a seemingly normal ball and get a Daddy. I believe every Lesser is from the Daddy, and there are a lot of people with Lessers right now and a lot of normal offspring from Lessers, so you can never really know if you have one with the hidden trait or not.

---

I just went through RDR's birthing record, and for two years (2001-02) he bred his original platty daddy to several normal females and only produced lessers and normals. In 2003 he bred one of the lessers to a normal also sired by the original platinum male, and produced the first CB platty daddy. It's listed as clutch #44 on this page.

He also mentions it in one of his recent youtube videos YouTube - 09 clutch # 16 "Daddy" Ralph also talks about others accidentally making platinums in that video. He states that he believes that the normals the lessers were bred to must have the "daddy" gene. I'm not sure if that is true, but I'm more inclined to believe Ralph's theory, since he's been working with platinums longer than anyone else.

Which would all make sense since it's a recessive trait (the daddy gene). But when you first said it:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sprinkles

The normal offspring of a platinum carries the gene for platinum while lessers do not.

---

It sounded as if you were claiming that none of the Lessers from a clutch sired by a daddy had the daddy gene in them, but they do, it's just het and to show it needs to be hom.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Which would all make sense since it's a recessive trait (the daddy gene). But when you first said it it sounded as if you were claiming that none of the Lessers from a clutch sired by a daddy had the daddy gene in them, but they do, it's just het and to show it needs to be hom.

---

Oh, I see what you're saying. The thing is that it wasn't until recently (this year?) that someone got lucky enough to happen to breed their lesser to a normal that carried the daddy gene. Looking further in to Ralph's birthing records I see that he did produce more platinums from breeding the original "daddy" to one of it's lesser daughters.

I stand corrected that lessers do not carry the "daddy" gene. However I do stand by my original point that the gene, which seems to be unique to lessers/butters, proves that there is something about that morph that may have been the reason behind what causes a lesser pied to be entirely white.

Oh I actually went back and looked at that video and it's stunning, yeah I like to jump into conversations ~_~

That could just be a fluke, not that I am hoping it was but just that it is a possibility. Then again it may not be a simple Lesser Pied, it could be a Lesser het Daddy Pied, all of which would require more investigation.

Hi,

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Yeah, the Lessers (the ones from the platty) are het for a recessive gene that brightens up colours.


That video gives more proof that it's a recessive gene that will act on other morphs (the butter-daddy).

As for it being entirely white: it could be a supper lesser (BEL) or it could be an all white pied (in which case it's eyes may not be blue, although there is still a possibility, someone would need to confirm this with a pied over the eyes snake).

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

But if you bred those third generation snakes back to their parent or to a platty daddy you could get a platty daddy.

It sounds as if you're saying that Lessers from a Platty Daddy clutch do not have the hidden gene, when in reality EVERY one of the offspring from a Platty are ALL het for the hidden gene, the normals and the Lessers.

One of the nice things about this is: You can breed your own Lesser to another Lesser and happen to get a Daddy, or you can even breed your own Lesser to a seemingly normal ball and get a Daddy. I believe every Lesser is from the Daddy, and there are a lot of people with Lessers right now and a lot of normal offspring from Lessers, so you can never really know if you have one with the hidden trait or not.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Which would all make sense since it's a recessive trait (the daddy gene). But when you first said it:




It sounded as if you were claiming that none of the Lessers from a clutch sired by a daddy had the daddy gene in them, but they do, it's just het and to show it needs to be hom.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Oh I actually went back and looked at that video and it's stunning, yeah I like to jump into conversations ~_~

That could just be a fluke, not that I am hoping it was but just that it is a possibility. Then again it may not be a simple Lesser Pied, it could be a Lesser het Daddy Pied, all of which would require more investigation.

---

Every one of the points above is completely wrong I'm afraid. :colbert:

The dilute daddy gene is not reccesive - it is either dom or co-dom.

It is an allele of the white snake complex ( as far as we know at the moment ) so the platty daddy can give either one of the genes ( dilute or lesser ) to his offspring but not both.

So if you have a lesser it absolutely does not contain the gene responsible for making daddys.

It therefore cannot make a daddy no matter how many of its offspring you breed it back to.

The white snake in Ralphs video cannot be a super lesser because only one of the parents was a lesser. It also wouldn't contain the dilute daddy gene unless Ralph made the het pied from a lesser sib fathered by a platty daddy or by breeding a platty daddy to a pied.


dr del

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dr del

The dilute daddy gene is not reccesive - it is either dom or co-dom.

It is an allele of the white snake complex ( as far as we know at the moment ) so the platty daddy can give either one of the genes ( dilute or lesser ) to his offspring but not both.

So if you have a lesser it absolutely does not contain the gene responsible for making daddys.

It therefore cannot make a daddy no matter how many of its offspring you breed it back to.

---

What is your source for this?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dr del

The white snake in Ralphs video cannot be a super lesser because only one of the parents was a lesser. It also wouldn't contain the dilute daddy gene unless Ralph made the het pied from a lesser sib fathered by a platty daddy or by breeding a platty daddy to a pied.

---

In the last post I didn't deny that it was a Lesser Pied, and made no claims that it was a super.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

What is your source for this?

---

Actually, now that I think about it, it makes more sense than the gene being recessive. The only reason there were daddy's in the daddyxlesser clutch was because they got the daddy gene from the sire and the lesser gene from the dam. So I was correct, you can only get daddy's from breeding a lesser to a sib, or breeding a daddy to a lesser.

Hi,

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

What is your source for this?

---

Ralphs breeding records and his discussions about it in the past - also the fact he made a butter daddy.

If it had been a recessive passed on by the platty daddy he would have had to breed the platty daddy to a butter first to get a butter het daddy - he would have mentioned this.

But if it was an allele (or another mutation that is part of the white snake complex ) that was dom or co-dom all he would have had to do would be to breed a butter to a lesser sib or platty daddy - which is what he did. :)

Also did you not wonder why, with all the lesser to lesser breedings going on to make BEL's, no one had ever produced a platty daddy?

Every single lesser out there comes originally from a platty daddy animal. If it really was recessive and caried by them all then the first generations at the very least should have been shooting out 25% platty daddys from lesser to lesser pairings. Granted it would have dropped quickly wih any outcrossings but it should still happen - it simply doesn't.

I wish it did - I like platty daddys and have a little lesser male (F2 from an african platty mamma found at the same time as Ralphs platty daddy apparently :gj: ) and it would tickle me no end if he was all I needed to make a platty daddy.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

In the last post I didn't deny that it was a Lesser Pied, and made no claims that it was a super.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

As for it being entirely white: it could be a supper lesser (BEL) or it could be an all white pied (in which case it's eyes may not be blue, although there is still a possibility, someone would need to confirm this with a pied over the eyes snake). The hidden gene has NOTHING to do with producing a BEL.

---

dr del

However for all the normal sibs to be het daddys then the daddy or the lesser gene would have to be distributed to all the young, however there is a regular butter female, and then the het daddy, and a butter daddy. Thus it either has to be a different gene or a recessive and a different gene.

Alleles exist on the same gene location, so if it is a different allele then all offspring would either be Lessers or Het Plattys, so if he bred that to a Butter the offspring would be Het Plattys, Lessers, Het Platty Butters or Butter Lessers. The normal is supposed to be a 100% Het Platty, then he has a normal butter, which shouldn't even be there if the Platty and Lesser are alleles, and a Butter Daddy.

The ONLY possible ways to get what he got with that clutch are:

Platty is a Recessive and the Butter was het
or Platty is a different gene than the Lesser, meaning there would only be a 50% chance of any offspring having that Platty trait (including the normals)

If you are claiming that it's a co-dom or dom trait then there is no way it can be an allele of the lesser complex and there be both a butter and a butter daddy, the butter would have to be a butter lesser (as the daddy would ALWAYS be a lesser + platty and would distribute one or the other to its offspring)

Once again I argue that recessive is the only logical option.

As for why more people aren't getting them: Probably because of the HUGE reduction in the likelihood of getting a het Platty Lesser as each generation is born.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lucas339

wouldn't that be a super lesser pied?

i would like to see an acutal pied with the coloring of the lesser.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lucas339

i guarantee RDR made that from a less het pied X lesser het pied making it a super lesser pied. it doesn't make sense that a lesser cross would end up all white without it being a super.

---

I see this mentioned 4 or 5 times by different people (not meaning to specifically pick on your posts, but they were the first ones).
He states, as well as his birthing records state that he bred a Lesser Het. Pied x Pied. Which means the Pied parent had NO Lesser gene making the Super Lesser Pied an impossible option for that pairing.

Edit: As dr del had already stated, oops. Oh well, further clarifying a point.

REALLY LATE EDIT:

The ONLY possible ways to get what he got with that clutch are:

Platty is a Recessive and the Butter was het
or Platty is a different gene than the Lesser, meaning there would only be a 50% chance of any offspring having that Platty trait (including the normals)


On the second option, if that were the case then you could breed a platty to a normal and get a platty daddy.

Just to add to Del's Point

YouTube - "Butter Daddy" footage

Platty/Daddy/Butter are all on the same allele so only one gets passed on. So if you breed a platty daddy to a normal you get all 'Daddys' (normal looking snake) and lessers. You know all the normals have to be 'Daddys' because otherwise they would be lessers as the snake has to pass on at least one of the genes (lesser or daddy). So breeding a lesser to a 'Daddy' you get Platty's, lesser's and daddy's (only half the normals will be daddy).

Alright, now explain why he produced a Butter and a Butter Daddy off of Platty Daddy x Butter.

That clutch alone should disprove it being an allele of the Lesser gene.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Alright, now explain why he produced a Butter and a Butter Daddy off of Platty Daddy x Butter.

That clutch alone should disprove it being an allele of the Lesser gene.

---

Because butters and lessers are essentially the same morph, just with slightly different colors. Much in the same way that black pastels and cinnies are the same gene from two different lines.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I see this mentioned 4 or 5 times by different people (not meaning to specifically pick on your posts, but they were the first ones).
He states, as well as his birthing records state that he bred a Lesser Het. Pied x Pied. Which means the Pied parent had NO Lesser gene making the Super Lesser Pied an impossible option for that pairing.

Edit: As dr del had already stated, oops. Oh well, further clarifying a point.

---

sorry if i didn't pick though RDR's birth records to see. its a disappointing cross.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sprinkles

Because butters and lessers are essentially the same morph, just with slightly different colors. Much in the same way that black pastels and cinnies are the same gene from two different lines.

---

So you're claiming that the Butter he produced off the Butter x Platty Daddy was actually a Lesser and that he doesn't know his snakes?

Yeah, it's a Butter, and there is no reason it should exist if the Daddy gene is actually an allele of the Lesser complex. If it were then, again, all offspring would HAVE to be either Lessers or Daddys. If only one gene for Daddy is required to make a Lesser/Butter stand out then he would either get Lesser Butters or Butter Daddys, however he did not, instead he got a Normal Butter and a Butter Daddy. Mind that a Lesser Butter was still an option, he just didn't get one.

So once again there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that these could be alleles.

I'm with Dr Del on this one, and that the lessers do not carry the hidden gene to make a platy daddy, only the normal siblings carry this trait. I don't do a whole lot of posting but I do a ton of reading and research on "scratch your head" genetic stuff and am sure that the only way to make a platty is combining a lesser with a hidden gene female. Not a lesser to lesser even if they are a direct product of the platty daddy.

Would love to be able to contribute more on the way that the butter daddy was produced but am unfamiliar with this pairing and have no valuable info to contribute on that subject.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Alright, now explain why he produced a Butter and a Butter Daddy off of Platty Daddy x Butter.

That clutch alone should disprove it being an allele of the Lesser gene.

---

He did not breed a Platty Daddy to a butter first off. The breeding was a Daddy (normal sib) to a Butter. So his potential for the clutch is as follows

25% Butter
25% Daddy
25% Butter Daddy
25% Normal

It was actually my brother who started this topic for me since he was lurking on this site before me, but i got my own profile now ;)
Great forum!! :cool:

So i can conclude from the topic that there isnt any pictures, or real "proof", of a Pied with the Lesser-colors? :(

Thanks for all the answers guys :P
And cool another danish fellow is the first to answer the topic :gj:

If you were to breed a Lesser to a Pied, all offspring would most likely turn out Lessers and BELs het. Pied (anyone correct me if I'm wrong with the outcome of offspring). The Pied gene is recessive, and the Lesser gene is co-dominant, so the Lesser trait would appear in all offspring besides the BELs (super form of a Lesser).

If you were to breed a Lesser het. Pied x Lesser het. Pied, you would probably get Lessers, BELs, Pieds, and Lesser Pieds. (Again, anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't study the Lessers too much.)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

If you were to breed a Lesser to a Pied, all offspring would most likely turn out Lessers and BELs het. Pied (anyone correct me if I'm wrong with the outcome of offspring). The Pied gene is recessive, and the Lesser gene is co-dominant, so the Lesser trait would appear in all offspring besides the BELs (super form of a Lesser).

If you were to breed a Lesser het. Pied x Lesser het. Pied, you would probably get Lessers, BELs, Pieds, and Lesser Pieds. (Again, anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't study the Lessers too much.)

---

A lesser bred to a pied would give you lessers het pied and normal het pieds.

Then on the lesser het x lesser het you are correct.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kevin_Hornby

He did not breed a Platty Daddy to a butter first off. The breeding was a Daddy (normal sib) to a Butter. So his potential for the clutch is as follows

25% Butter
25% Daddy
25% Butter Daddy
25% Normal

---

From the video:

"09 Clutch Number 16
This was three eggs from breeding a Platty Daddy to a Butter Female"

From the site:

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/bi.../pythons_2.asp

"From breeding a Platty male to a Butter female. Not many eggs......I'm hoping for some platties and maybe a "white snake" which would be a combo of the two traits. There were 2 slugs in this clutch. ( 04 butter f # 3 ) "

Once again, there is no possible way at this point that it could be an allele to the Lesser gene.

And I traced the female back, she doesn't carry the trait maternally, however it doesn't say where the mother's father came from. So it's less likely to be recessive, but still because of that clutch there is no way it can be an allele.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

From the video:

"09 Clutch Number 16
This was three eggs from breeding a Platty Daddy to a Butter Female"

From the site:

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/bi.../pythons_2.asp

"From breeding a Platty male to a Butter female. Not many eggs......I'm hoping for some platties and maybe a "white snake" which would be a combo of the two traits. There were 2 slugs in this clutch. ( 04 butter f # 3 ) "

Once again, there is no possible way at this point that it could be an allele to the Lesser gene.

---

Hmmm, I am completely confused. While this breeding is only a week old, give or take, some analysis by someone smarter than me is definately needed. Not sure I completely agree with you yet though. Ralph clearly states in that clutches video that anything bred by a platty daddy carries either A) the Lesser gene or B) the "daddy" dilute

Well that doesn't work in this clutch due to the fact that there is a butter that doesn't carry either a daddy gene or a lesser gene. I am in no position to question Ralph on anything but something doesn't give here... As I wonder if the butter in this video isn't an actually an odd looking lesser... or if the whole theory of that normal siblings all carry the "daddy" dilute isn't necessarily the case.

Finally, someone sees what I'm trying to get at.

I'm not, however, saying that it is absolutely recessive or absolutely dominant, just that it cannot be an allele.

Even through crossing over during Meiosis the alleles would not end up on the same strand of DNA, however if they were on different loci on the same chromosome then they could end up on the same one leaving it open that neither would pass to the offspring or both would pass to it. Thus there may have been a platty daddy gamete that just never met with an egg. Still there are a lot of other things to consider before jumping to crossing over as being the reason.

Stupid only being allowed to edit after a short time.

Anyway, if you trace the Butter Female's paternal genetics back and prove him back to pre-2000 without having the Daddy involved then you can prove (without any doubt) that it isn't recessive.

However in a clutch that has a non-daddy non-lesser snake and a daddy snake then you know that these cannot be alleles. As has been proven.

Don't let the genetics confuse you, this is all fairly simple and there are ways to prove one way or another. I still stand that there is a good chance her father was a het daddy and it's recessive, but I'm not going to hold on to it for dear life if someone brings proof that a snake with no genetic relation to the daddy gave birth to a daddy, that would entirely disprove it being recessive. However I will maintain that it is not an allele as current evidence shows otherwise, unless of course that isn't a butter and is a lesser :O

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Stupid only being allowed to edit after a short time.

Anyway, if you trace the Butter Female's paternal genetics back and prove him back to pre-2000 without having the Daddy involved then you can prove (without any doubt) that it isn't recessive.

However in a clutch that has a non-daddy non-lesser snake and a daddy snake then you know that these cannot be alleles. As has been proven.

Don't let the genetics confuse you, this is all fairly simple and there are ways to prove one way or another. I still stand that there is a good chance her father was a het daddy and it's recessive, but I'm not going to hold on to it for dear life if someone brings proof that a snake with no genetic relation to the daddy gave birth to a daddy, that would entirely disprove it being recessive. However I will maintain that it is not an allele as current evidence shows otherwise, unless of course that isn't a butter and is a lesser :O

---

This is my thought, butters and lessers are obviously very closely related and as ralph pretty much the king of these morphs, he could have made a mistake or he completely proved his theory that any baby from the platty daddy was distributed either the lesser gene or the "daddy" dilute gene.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fearless

This is my thought, butters and lessers are obviously very closely related and as ralph pretty much the king of these morphs, he could have made a mistake or he completely disproved his theory that any baby from the platty daddy was distributed either the lesser gene or the "daddy" dilute gene.

---

Well there is a chance that they occur on the same chromosome and that usually they are on different sides of the division, but during crossing over it could have moved to the same side as the Lesser gene leaving one chromatid as Platty Daddy and the other as Normal Normal. It's rare but it would explain it, leave it open to being Co/Dom and give a just reason for the offspring usually having 50/50 chances of either Lesser or Daddy.

But this is speculation and I've only studied a little genetics, I've a couple years left until I have to take a course in it (bio major).

Also I edited your response in my quote since it didn't make much sense before.

Thank you I try to re read every post I make but that one I missed