Need help quick. please help me identify this morph

1.) Is this a fire?

2.) To what degree of certainty can you answer #1?

This is an 09 female hatchling that is being offered in a trade. The guy offering the trade is saying it is a fire but he did not breed it and he is not certain who did breed it.

No doubt it is at least a dinker, but for trade value purposes, would you say it is a fire?

Please help!

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Mike, he looks like a YB, not a fire to me. The head doesn't look right for a fire to me, not bright enough. The belly and the sides look YB to me. Degree of certainty? I'm 80% on saying no to fire.

Also, the markings on the first five pictures don't match the markings on the last three.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Mike, he looks like a YB, not a fire to me. The head doesn't look right for a fire to me, not bright enough. The belly and the sides look YB to me. Degree of certainty? I'm 80% on saying no to fire.

Also, the markings on the first five pictures don't match the markings on the last three.

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x2 :gj:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Mike, he looks like a YB, not a fire to me. The head doesn't look right for a fire to me, not bright enough. The belly and the sides look YB to me. Degree of certainty? I'm 80% on saying no to fire.

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That's what I was wondering! The tail thing is weird!

2 different snakes???? What on earth...

Look at the size of the snake in the first five pictures in his hand, and the size of the last three (last picture specifically) in comparison to the hand. The last three pictures are of an older, larger animal.

Look at the stripe on the neck of the first five pictures with the dots in the one stripe. Not there in the last three photos of the animal.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Mike, he looks like a YB, not a fire to me. The head doesn't look right for a fire to me, not bright enough. The belly and the sides look YB to me. Degree of certainty? I'm 80% on saying no to fire.

Also, the markings on the first five pictures don't match the markings on the last three.

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Yeah, after doing a quick google search it looks like you might be right. what does a fires belly look like?

Honestly I don't know squat about yellow bellys. Isn't the belly supposed to be yellow in color or it it refering to the flames? It seems like the yellow bellys I see in a google image search don't have such a wide clear belly if that makes sense.

If it is in fact a yellow belly... what is a female yellow belly's trade value at this particular moment in time?

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

Yeah, after doing a quick google search it looks like you might be right. what does a fire belly look like?

Honestly I don't know squat about yellow bellys. Isn't the belly supposed to be yellow in color or it it refering to the flames? It seems like the yellow bellys I see in a google image search don't have such a wide clear belly if that makes sense

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I'm not sure why they are called YB's (edit according the guide, it's because the sides have yellow, not the belly). No, their bellies are not supposed to be yellow. It's the checkerboard pattern along the sides of the belly. You can see it in the last picture.

YB: http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=45579

If I were you, which I'm not.. I'd be more concerned about the fact that the snakes pictured above are TWO.. DIFFERENT snakes.

Could be a YB...

...but doesn't the tail marking mean it's a ringer, too?

Thank you Robin. As always you are the BOMB. just contacted him again asking why he is sending pictures of two different snakes.

EDIT... ugh nevermind... sorry Robin I completely misread your first few posts :rolleyes:

Looks like a bad pastel and a yellowbelly to me. Don't do the trade.

Yeah...first snake is a ringer, second maybe a yellowbelly, but I wouldn't trade with someone who sent me pictures of 2 different snakes, neither of which looks much like what they were offering, lol.

Thanks all.

This is the greatest site ever for quick information. Told him NO thank you.

WOW! I met up with him anyway because he wanted to see some of the snakes I was selling in person. He brought the snake with him so I could check it out.

1.) definitely not a fire, but a yellowbelly
2.) It was a Male not a Female!

And no i did no trade!

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

WOW! I met up with him anyway because he wanted to see some of the snakes I was selling in person. He brought the snake with him so I could check it out.

1.) definitely not a fire, but a yellowbelly
2.) It was a Male not a Female!

And no i did no trade!

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Cool,

Did he buy anything off you?

Daniel

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

Cool,

Did he buy anything off you?

Daniel

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Not this time. (he has purchased from be before).

It was pretty sad really because it was pretty obvious that he purchased the snake as something it wasn't.

Just goes to show you tho how important it is to buy from the right breeder.