Platty Daddy?

Ok so what is the only way to produce PD's.
After watching Ralphs latest video I am lost and disapointed because this has been a project I've been working on hoping to produce some plattys.
Can you produce platty daddy with a sibbling from a lesser x normal pairing,by breeding the normal back to a lesser.

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Originally Posted by Lesserbee

Ok so what is the only way to produce PD's.
After watching Ralphs latest video I am lost and disapointed because this has been a project I've been working on hoping to produce some plattys.
Can you produce platty daddy with a sibbling from a lesser x normal pairing,by breeding the normal back to a lesser.

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from what i understand, you can't produce a platty daddy from breeding the normal sibs from just a lesser back to the snake.

You need the normal looking sibs FROM the platty daddy. Breed that back to the lesser and then you can get a PD.

if the lesser had the "hidden gene", then it would be a PD and not just a lesser.

Thank ya much.:) that is exactly what I was looking for. Much appreciated.

I guess you could potentially get a normal sib from the Platty Daddy, breed that to a Lesser and then breed those to each other and hope for a platty daddy (also you may end up getting a bel super hidden or some bel het hiddens)

It would work out if it's a hom hidden trait and is probably the fastest way.

There is a huge debate about the hidden gene from the Platty Daddy and the hidden gene from the Nerd Line Hidden Gene Womas, possibly being the same hidden gene.

Many threads have been discussed over these very things.

Once Asplundii comes across this thread I'm sure more light will be revealed. :gj:

Hi,

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

I guess you could potentially get a normal sib from the Platty Daddy, breed that to a Lesser and then breed those to each other and hope for a platty daddy (also you may end up getting a bel super hidden or some bel het hiddens)

It would work out if it's a hom hidden trait and is probably the fastest way.

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Actually just breeding the normal sib (fathered by a platty daddy ) and the lesser should give you a shot at platty daddys in the clutch. :)

I think it would break down to;

25% lessers
25% platty daddys

and

50% normal looking - half of which would be carrying the hidden platty gene (or het plattys as Ralph called them ).

I guess you would have to describe those as 50% poss het plattys as there would be no way to positively identify the true hets? :confused:

I don't think it is possible to get BEL super hiddens or het hiddens as the genes are alleles.

If it was a BEL it got two lesser genes therefore cannot have got the hidden gene at all.

Breeding two platty daddys should give you;

25% lessers
25% homozygous hidden
50% platty daddys

Er...... I think. :oops:


dr del

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

There is a huge debate about the hidden gene from the Platty Daddy and the hidden gene from the Nerd Line Hidden Gene Womas, possibly being the same hidden gene.

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There is NO hidden gene in a "Hidden Gene Woma". :O :confused: :weirdface

If you don't believe me, ask Kevin McCurley. The information came directly from his mouth to my ear. (Well.....there was a phone line in between them ;))

I was told that only Ralph has the normel offspring from daddy and he's not selling any of then...and someone told me that DaddY has ben born outside of RDR and was quickly picked up by Ralph for a great deal of $....maybe he did sell one befer he figerd out daddy's goodys....maybe not....

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Originally Posted by Louis Kirkland

There is NO hidden gene in a "Hidden Gene Woma". :O :confused: :weirdface

If you don't believe me, ask Kevin McCurley. The information came directly from his mouth to my ear. (Well.....there was a phone line in between them ;))

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so you saying that NERD has been jipping people off saying that there is a hidden gene in there Womas?

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Originally Posted by Pulcher

so you saying that NERD has been jipping people off saying that there is a hidden gene in there Womas?

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Not at all. As I understand it Kevin imported two different wild caught animals that he originally thought might be the same mutation. As he begin to breed them one of the two produced some really cool combos while the other did not. Thinking there might be a hidden gene in the line that was producing the cool stuff, he gave it that name to distinguish between the two lines.

He has since determined that the two lines of Womas are actually two completely different mutations, one of which makes some awesome combos and one of which does not.

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Originally Posted by Louis Kirkland

Not at all. As I understand it Kevin imported two different wild caught animals that he originally thought might be the same mutation. As he begin to breed them one of the two produced some really cool combos while the other did not. Thinking there might be a hidden gene in the line that was producing the cool stuff, he gave it that name to distinguish between the two lines.

He has since determined that the two lines of Womas are actually two completely different mutations, one of which makes some awesome combos and one of which does not.

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Hmmm.. this is very interesting. Thanks for sharing :)

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Originally Posted by Louis Kirkland

There is NO hidden gene in a "Hidden Gene Woma". :O :confused: :weirdface

If you don't believe me, ask Kevin McCurley. The information came directly from his mouth to my ear. (Well.....there was a phone line in between them ;))

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I am unaware as to the genetics of the HG Woma, but as far as most in the hobby are concerned there is a lot of mystery involved with most of what NERD does.

I understand the need for secrecy when creating new combos and trying to be the first to make a designer morph and such, but when something comes out and has that much shock and awe, it simply creates questions. Most of which still have not been addressed.

At least RDR has opened up a bit about the Platty Daddy genetics and the mystery is no longer a big ambiguous mystery. Now everyone wants some of the offspring to make their own.

I simply want to know what are the visual differences between a HG Woma and a Woma, I like many others know that Kevin himself can decipher between the two.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

I am unaware as to the genetics of the HG Woma, but as far as most in the hobby are concerned there is a lot of mystery involved with most of what NERD does.

I understand the need for secrecy when creating new combos and trying to be the first to make a designer morph and such, but when something comes out and has that much shock and awe, it simply creates questions. Most of which still have not been addressed.

At least RDR has opened up a bit about the Platty Daddy genetics and the mystery is no longer a big ambiguous mystery. Now everyone wants some of the offspring to make their own.

I simply want to know what are the visual differences between a HG Woma and a Woma, I like many others know that Kevin himself can decipher between the two.

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I've heard it mentioned that they have a bit of a granite appearance to them.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

I am unaware as to the genetics of the HG Woma, but as far as most in the hobby are concerned there is a lot of mystery involved with most of what NERD does.

I understand the need for secrecy when creating new combos and trying to be the first to make a designer morph and such, but when something comes out and has that much shock and awe, it simply creates questions. Most of which still have not been addressed.

At least RDR has opened up a bit about the Platty Daddy genetics and the mystery is no longer a big ambiguous mystery. Now everyone wants some of the offspring to make their own.

I simply want to know what are the visual differences between a HG Woma and a Woma, I like many others know that Kevin himself can decipher between the two.

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Here's a link to a post made by Matt Lerer @ GHI Reptiles showing a pic of a HG Woma he had just hatched earlier this season. This pic appears to be pre first shed. I'm pretty sure there is a post shed pic floating around here too. If I can find it, I will post the link to it. There should be plenty of non hidden gene Woma pics around for you to compare with.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...25&postcount=1

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

I've heard it mentioned that they have a bit of a granite appearance to them.

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I'm not sure, but what you may be referring to is the HG Woma, Granite combos.

Here's a link to another one of Matt Lerer's posts showing some of the HG Womas he's hatched this season. They really look quite a bit different from the non hidden gene Womas.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...88&postcount=1

Ahhhhhhh genetics.....

To get back to the Platty Daddy question,

The Platty Daddy IS a homozygous mutation, just like a Lesser/Mojave Blue Eyed Leucistic is a homozygous mutation. The two genes making up their homozygous states are ever so slightly different. If you breed a Platty Daddy to a normal, you'll get Lessers and a "Normals" which aren't so normal, just like if you bred a Lesser/Mojave Blue Eyed Leucistic to a normal you'd get Lessers and Mojaves.

That "normal" carries the gene for that lightening effect. But the only way to know you have that gene is by tracking who the parents are, much like you have to know your 100% Het Albino actually had an Albino parent.