Price drops

$180 shipped for Spider males or $345 shipped for 2 males on Fauna? Come on. I get that people need to sell their animals but how low do you want to drop them? I won't drop names but I am sure you can figure it out. :colbert:

its cause the economy sucks and theres just to many people breeding :taz: lol
but its a good thing for me

I paid 150 for my male spider. at a show. but still. I plan to sell my spiders for 150-200 each, 225 for females. Its mainly due to the amount of them being produced now. just like why pastels used to be 2500 dollars, and are now found for 200 or lower. same with pinstripes. they used to fetch a large lil penny.

That is absolutely ridiculous! Especially right after Daytona that generally showed a steadying of prices!

Just like always I would be VERY careful any time you are buying an animal for an advertised price well below retail prices. Why are they selling so cheap? Whats the hurry? Whats wrong with the animal? Whats wrong with the breeder? These are all questions that I would be asking.

No, I don't believe it is the economy or too many people breeding. If that were true then the Daytona prices would have been lower. It is about people trying to dump animals for one reason or another.

The difference is, pretty much everyone else is selling them between 200 and 300. Maybe I'm just of the opinion that the price doesn't need to be that low. It goes right along with using the word cheap in ads. The economy and supply and demand does enough to devalue these animals. The breeders don't need to help.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

That is absolutely ridiculous! Especially right after Daytona that generally showed a steadying of prices!

Just like always I would be VERY careful any time you are buying an animal for an advertised price well below retail prices. Why are they selling so cheap? Whats the hurry? Whats wrong with the animal? Whats wrong with the breeder? These are all questions that I would be asking.

No, I don't believe it is the economy or too many people breeding. If that were true then the Daytona prices would have been lower. It is about people trying to dump animals for one reason or another.

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excellent point Mike!

perhaps these animals are flawed in some way? or are problem feeders? or if they're spiders perhaps they spin?

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Originally Posted by jglass38

$180 shipped for Spider males or $345 shipped for 2 males on Fauna? Come on. I get that people need to sell their animals but how low do you want to drop them? I won't drop names but I am sure you can figure it out. :colbert:

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do you really think one person is going to crash the market ?and what gives you the badge to say what a person can sell there animals for ?you cant get mad over another persons property and the said person would have to have truck loads ov said morphs to slghtly influance the market .

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Originally Posted by jglass38

$180 shipped for Spider males or $345 shipped for 2 males on Fauna? Come on. I get that people need to sell their animals but how low do you want to drop them? I won't drop names but I am sure you can figure it out. :colbert:

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hey my man thats my add. look i know how ya feel, and sorry to say it but the economy sucks i couple keep them and wait for things to pick up but i am running out of room, i know things are hard for others so i try to help them out. but in my defense i have seen them going for cheaper. i see pastel males going for 50 bucks. so sorry your feathers are ruffled but its life bro and some people need money, but since you got money i will sell one to you for 300 shipped you know how to reach me..........

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Originally Posted by yankneck

do you really think one person is going to crash the market ?and what gives you the badge to say what a person can sell there animals for ?you cant get mad over another persons property and the said person would have to have truck loads ov said morphs to slghtly influance the market .

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I am not trying to insult you. Can you please rewrite this so we can understand it?

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Originally Posted by yankneck

do you really think one person is going to crash the market ?and what gives you the badge to say what a person can sell there animals for ?you cant get mad over another persons property and the said person would have to have truck loads ov said morphs to slghtly influance the market .

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I didn't tell him what to do. It doesn't mean I have to respect it or agree with it.

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Originally Posted by dmaricle

hey my man thats my add. look i know how ya feel, and sorry to say it but the economy sucks i couple keep them and wait for things to pick up but i am running out of room, i know things are hard for others so i try to help them out. but in my defense i have seen them going for cheaper. i see pastel males going for 50 bucks. so sorry your feathers are ruffled but its life bro and some people need money, but since you got money i will sell one to you for 300 shipped you know how to reach me..........

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What do you figure Dylan, about $50 for shipping? So you are selling them for $130. Where have you seen a Spider cheaper than $130? As I posted to the other person, you can sell them for what you want. It doesn't mean I have to agree with it or respect it. Everyone needs money. Hell, I need money. But these animals are worth more to me than that.

Would have never seen that ad unless this thread was posted. I pay no attention what so ever to Fauna or Kingsnake, I buy from the same breeder(s) each and every time. I trust them to have a fair but not over inflated or under valued price. I know I may miss some great people in this business but really the only board I frequent is this one. Too many awesome people from here to buy from to see the need to look elsewhere.

While I understand your point Jamie, and it does bother me a bit (the cheap sellers)...I think those types will eventually run themselves out of business and I just don't see the point in worrying about them. Yes, someone will always be looking for the cheapest- not me though!

On the other hand, some of the morphs are finally within my grasp.

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Dylan, please don't think I am pointing my post at you. I am saying the ones in general that I have seen in the past undercutting on purpose.
I don't know anything about you or your animals so in all fairness I can't comment on your particular ad.

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Originally Posted by catawhat75

Would have never seen that ad unless this thread was posted. I pay no attention what so ever to Fauna or Kingsnake, I buy from the same breeder(s) each and every time. I trust them to have a fair but not over inflated or under valued price. I know I may miss some great people in this business but really the only board I frequent is this one. Too many awesome people from here to buy from to see the need to look elsewhere.

While I understand your point Jamie, and it does bother me a bit (the cheap sellers)...I think those types will eventually run themselves out of business and I just don't see the point in worrying about them. Yes, someone will always be looking for the cheapest- not me though!

On the other hand, some of the morphs are finally within my grasp.

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Excellent post Ingrid! :gj:

Catawhat,

Good point! But as they crash and burn selling their animals so cheaply, they do in fact impact the overall market prices. History has certainly shown that.

Thanks Jamie :D
I see the undercutting in my line of work all the time and lots of my fellow professionals get bent out of shape. I don't worry b/c I am still in business, still growing, was able to buy a house and those that came in screaming "look at our prices, we will beat everyone else" no longer are around.

That and I have enough on my plate to worry about anyone else's life :P

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

Catawhat,

Good point! But as they crash and burn selling their animals so cheaply, they do in fact impact the overall market prices. History has certainly shown that.

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That may be true. But what can you do about it? There is no set price fixing and an animal is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. (Ok, in my mind animals are priceless but I digress).
We cannot control what other people do or think. I do my part by not buying from them. Obviously others care about price over quality or this wouldn't be an issue.

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Originally Posted by catawhat75

That may be true. But what can you do about it? There is no set price fixing and an animal is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. (Ok, in my mind animals are priceless but I digress).
We cannot control what other people do or think. I do my part by not buying from them. Obviously others care about price over quality or this wouldn't be an issue.

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and some try to charge a premium for low quality animals at the same time
also who said that daytona or any other show should set the price? heck ive seen stuff cheaper at tinley then some of what guys post here or anywhere else.
just like my 400$ albinos females i got there yet thats even lower than what the current pricing trend is

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

That is absolutely ridiculous! Especially right after Daytona that generally showed a steadying of prices!

Just like always I would be VERY careful any time you are buying an animal for an advertised price well below retail prices. Why are they selling so cheap? Whats the hurry? Whats wrong with the animal? Whats wrong with the breeder? These are all questions that I would be asking.

No, I don't believe it is the economy or too many people breeding. If that were true then the Daytona prices would have been lower. It is about people trying to dump animals for one reason or another.

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you have to think about breeders that do it for a living ! They have to sell animals to stay alive . I've been watching kingsnake and this prices are dropping really fast ! They had mojave's on there yesterday for 195.00 each so when you say what's wrong with the animal i have to say most times there ok its a lot of guys that have to many and they need to move them now . Think about it every week they have to feed everything they have and if they haver a ton of snakes whether they breed the rats or not it still will cost more for them in the long run to keep so a lot are dumping them !

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Originally Posted by yankneck

do you really think one person is going to crash the market ?and what gives you the badge to say what a person can sell there animals for ?you cant get mad over another persons property and the said person would have to have truck loads ov said morphs to slghtly influance the market .

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:) I love it :)


Kinda funny how some get mad because they wont make as much money as they used to selling them !

look i know were yall are coming from and this is was an emergency post so before yall start bashing me you should know the persons situation. i had a very good breeding season and i have more hatching than are selling my racks are almost full and my wife is about o give birth to our first child i made this post in hopes of selling them this weekend to finish up our baby room. i do not under value my animals at all. i love each and everyone of them. this is not my only source of income this is a hobby for me and my family sorry to turn all yall against me but if thats what it takes to get a little extra money for my baby so be it. this is the main reason i stay away from most forums i just thought this one was better than this and i have been there for everyone and tried to support everyone in the hobby the best i can thaks for returning the favor.

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Originally Posted by dmaricle

hey my man thats my add. look i know how ya feel, and sorry to say it but the economy sucks i couple keep them and wait for things to pick up but i am running out of room, i know things are hard for others so i try to help them out. but in my defense i have seen them going for cheaper. i see pastel males going for 50 bucks. so sorry your feathers are ruffled but its life bro and some people need money, but since you got money i will sell one to you for 300 shipped you know how to reach me..........

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haha i love the end :)

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Originally Posted by jglass38

What do you figure Dylan, about $50 for shipping? So you are selling them for $130. Where have you seen a Spider cheaper than $130? As I posted to the other person, you can sell them for what you want. It doesn't mean I have to agree with it or respect it. Everyone needs money. Hell, I need money. But these animals are worth more to me than that.

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Why do you even care what he is selling them for ? We sold 4 at wholesale this past weekend for 100 each ! It's not going to get any better right now !

oh and i bought my first spider girl 2 years ago for 150. and she is one of the healthiest and best eaters i have, so price does not reflect the health of the animal.

I actually got mine at a show, from a nice breeder in california called jon's jungle. I saw PLEEEENnnnty of spiders under 250 there, i happend to get the only male for 150 at the show. he doesnt spin, he eats well (2 times a week adult mice) and hes 209 grams and has shed twice. i also got my pinstripe female for 350 shipped, roughly 310 un-shipped and she eats and poops fine and shed for her first time. she wasnt from a show. but! she didnt go along with his breeding plans so he let her go cheaper. I know for fact that circulation of more ball pythons of a certain type lowers the value. at the anaheim show i saw more pinstripes and spiders than anything else at the show.

$150. is about right for a 1. Spider.
Sad, but true.

In my opinion female Pastels are worth more to a collection then a male Spider, and they are listing for $150.
I have had a .1 Pinstripe listed at $275. Shipped, and have not had one reasonable cash offer.

There are tons of breeders working on various Spider combos, Albino Spiders, Spinners, Bees, CinnaBees, Axanthic Spiders, HoneyBees......

Spiders are a by product of those projects and the supply is more then the demand. Just like the $50. male Pastels.

Soon enough the rumors will start that the "Big Breeders " are throwing these animals in the freezer along with the male Normals because it cost more to start, maintain, and ship them, and they take up more room then they are "worth."

You can't blame people for selling animals for less then YOU feel they are worth. If nobody is purchasing them for $250. then they are NOT worth $250.

Not everyone can hold back every animal, especialy male CoDoms, until the market bounces back. (BTW, I doubt it will.) The whole U.S. economy SUCKS. People that were well off in 2006-2007 and bought into the booming BP market are loosing their homes, vehicles, jobs, and can't send their kids to college, afford back to school clothes and supplies, hot water heaters, utility bills, or to fix leaky roofs.

Don't Judge!!! :colbert:

Supply and demand.

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Originally Posted by rjk890

$150. is about right for a 1. Spider.
Sad, but true.

In my opinion female Pastels are worth more to a collection then a male Spider, and they are listing for $150.
I have had a .1 Pinstripe listed at $275. Shipped, and have not had one reasonable cash offer.

There are tons of breeders working on various Spider combos, Albino Spiders, Spinners, Bees, CinnaBees, Axanthic Spiders, HoneyBees......

Spiders are a by product of those projects and the supply is more then the demand. Just like the $50. male Pastels.

Soon enough the rumors will start that the "Big Breeders " are throwing these animals in the freezer along with the male Normals because it cost more to start, maintain, and ship them, and they take up more room then they are "worth."

You can't blame people for selling animals for less then YOU feel they are worth. If nobody is purchasing them for $250. then they are NOT worth $250.

Not everyone can hold back every animal, especialy male CoDoms, until the market bounces back. (BTW, I doubt it will.) The whole U.S. economy SUCKS. People that were well off in 2006-2007 and bought into the booming BP market are loosing their homes, vehicles, jobs, and can't send their kids to college, afford back to school clothes and supplies, hot water heaters, utility bills, or to fix leaky roofs.

Don't Judge!!! :colbert:

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thank you very much. these snakes arent even moving at this price, so looks like they will sit on their snakes till they are adults and sell them for dirt cheap lol i bought an adult proveen spider male for 550.

kinda like walmart .the ball python roleback man:banana::banana:

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Originally Posted by yankneck

kinda like walmart .the ball python roleback man:banana::banana:

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What?

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

Why do you even care what he is selling them for ? We sold 4 at wholesale this past weekend for 100 each ! It's not going to get any better right now !

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1. Who gives a crap what you are doing?
2. There is a difference between wholesale and retail.

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Originally Posted by yankneck

kinda like walmart .the ball python roleback man:banana::banana:

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rollback man

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

What?

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this is what he is referring to

YouTube - WalMart - Smiley TV Commercial

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Originally Posted by rjk890

$150. is about right for a 1. Spider.
Sad, but true.

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Why is $150 right? Because your pal Big Daddy sells them that cheap?

http://www.constrictors.com/Pythons.html

That's where I get my general prices from, and even when surfing the web for them, most breeders sell around there (with anywhere from a 10~20% difference, or more if it's a specific line). The prices go down at shows a bit more than this, and you can haggle lower, but at around 50% off $180 for a spider is quite low.

Personally I just check there and 8 Ball and other places to buy them since its pretty hard to find a ride to the show around here and since there are maybe 3 breeders at my local show I would even buy snakes off of (out of maybe a dozen).

Guys, bringing up show prices isn't really an apples to apples comparison. Show prices are always lower. Look at any thread about any show and you'll see the remarks about how cheap this and that was selling for.

I guess I should have put the disclaimer in my post that these are MY opinions. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. But this is an open forum and everyone is free to express their own thoughts on the subject.

If you figure around $50 for packaging and shipping, then $180 shipped is actually $130 for the animal. That is quite a bit lower than I have seen.

Dylan: I get what you are saying. Economy is bad, not enough space for babies, gotta feed the family. Everyone has these problems. I value the animal more and would rather hold on to them than sell them at less than what I believe they are worth. I am sorry, but I just don't believe Spiders are $130 animals yet.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

1. Who gives a crap what you are doing?
2. There is a difference between wholesale and retail.

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They where sold wholesale because there not selling at the shows !


Nobody is buying anything right now ! And the prices will continue to drop if they wont sell !

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Guys, bringing up show prices isn't really an apples to apples comparison. Show prices are always lower. Look at any thread about any show and you'll see the remarks about how cheap this and that was selling for.

I guess I should have put the disclaimer in my post that these are MY opinions. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. But this is an open forum and everyone is free to express their own thoughts on the subject.

If you figure around $50 for packaging and shipping, then $180 shipped is actually $130 for the animal. That is quite a bit lower than I have seen.

Dylan: I get what you are saying. Economy is bad, not enough space for babies, gotta feed the family. Everyone has these problems. I value the animal more and would rather hold on to them than sell them at less than what I believe they are worth. I am sorry, but I just don't believe Spiders are $130 animals yet.

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lol Your fighting a losing battle get over it ! The prices are falling and they will keep falling ! Why do you even care what we are selling are animals for as long as my hobby can pay for itself im good with that !

Huh, I guess this was kind of a test for me... I mean I thought I might have wanted to buy a spider, but even at $180 I still wouldn't buy it. I guess I'm holding out until the girls are bigger and I can get a Lesser. :/

Yeah this was entirely off topic...

Oh and yeah we both kind of pointed out that show prices are reduced, and I kind of think that's because of the desire to sell the animals right then and there (lower price, means you're more likely to sell it, huge number of buyers around and you're likely to move product).

If you're not a big breeder then I kind of think your online prices shouldn't be much less than the prices at shows, as those are already majorly discounted.

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

lol Your fighting a losing battle get over it ! The prices are falling and they will keep falling ! Why do you even care what we are selling are animals for as long as my hobby can pay for itself im good with that !

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Wow.... that just sounds messed up. Like how nerds justify selling drugs to pay for whatever they're into.

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Why is $150. right?

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Because they are not selling for $200.

Wow Rjk...changing Jamie's name in the quote was mature.:rolleyes:

If you want to be able to have a self sustaining hobby, then if the animals you sell are going for less, then you'll have to sell more to be able to buy the combo or recessive that you want...jus sayin

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Wow.... that just sounds messed up. Like how nerds justify selling drugs to pay for whatever they're into.

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No like i said it's a hobby for most of us so if i can pay for my hobby with what i sell who would care what i sell them for ?

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Originally Posted by rjk890

Because they are not selling for $200.

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Bobby,

I find it funny how you changed my name. I have NEVER heard that before. :8: Grow up. You've been suspended/banned from this site multiple times. You are well known as supporter of the biggest scumbags in this industry. Why are you still here anyway?

Your pal,

Jamie

Personally I care because they are living/breathing animals. I don't like seeing anything undervalued becasue that just invites more people who don't care about the animals first and foremost into our hobby. Look at all the moronic backyard breeders with dogs.

As for my hobby paying for itself, it would be nice but if it never happens I am fine with that. I am in this for the long haul, if I breed or not, if I sell or not. What makes Jamie a good guy in my book IS his passion and even if his prices are higher, I will choose to buy from someone who doesn't just talk the talk, he walks it.

LOL. I am trash?
You don't even know me "pal."

BTW, I have never been banned or suspended from this site...yet.

You sure do talk alot of smack without any facts.

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Originally Posted by rjk890

LOL. I am trash?
You don't even know me "pal".

BTW, I have never been banned or suspended from this site...yet.

You sure do talk alot of smack without any facts.

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lol Welcome to the site :)

...with prices, there will always be individuals who think an asking price is too high or too low. It is a reflection of your personal value of the particular animal.

In the end, I think price comes after the animals health and the dealer. I will go check the stock of breeders I am familiar with or email them asking if they have a particular animal I am looking for. Price really is the last thing discussed. The price may be a bit high, or a bit low, but in the end it is a good deal regardless because I know I am getting a healthy animal from a reputable dealer.

To sum it up...do your research on the breeder.

Please try to keep this on topic and leave out the personal attacks. Discussion is one thing....this is quite another.

This is a general warning. If you can't participate without calling each other names, it's time to bow out of the thread gracefully.

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Originally Posted by rjk890

LOL. I am trash?
You don't even know me "pal."

BTW, I have never been banned or suspended from this site...yet.

You sure do talk alot of smack without any facts.

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Robert Kelly from Florida? Supporter of Morph King and Big Daddy? If I am mistaken and you aren't him, then I apologize. But I don't think so! :colbert:

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

If you're not a big breeder then I kind of think your online prices shouldn't be much less than the prices at shows, as those are already majorly discounted.

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So if someone is not a bigtime breeder his/her animals are worth less? Wow :rolleyes: