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How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
I've seen some videos of people keeping dozens or even hundreds of bps in small plastic tubs in shelves, and they obviously seem to be doing it with great success.
My question is how do they account for proper humidity and temperature levels? They don't use lamps or any heating systems or anything like that. Thanks for your response.
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
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Originally Posted by omnibus2
I've seen some videos of people keeping dozens or even hundreds of bps in small plastic tubs in shelves, and they obviously seem to be doing it with great success.
My question is how do they account for proper humidity and temperature levels? They don't use lamps or any heating systems or anything like that. Thanks for your response.
LOL.
Those are racks, and typically the heating is from Flexwatt heat tape that is on the shelves either used as belly heat or back heat. The humidity and temps are easier to maintain in tubs. With the flexwatt as a heat source and water bowl for humidity, stable environments are easy to be had in a rack system.
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
Ball pythons don't need supplemental lighting, and in fact, lighting dries up the air, and having no lighting helps to keep the humidity up.
My racks all have belly heat routered into the shelf of each level.
Larger scaled breeders may actually have the rooms temp controlled, rather than the racks themselves (so the room is 85-87 degrees).
Humidity is a breeze to keep up in tubs.
If I ever found myself not keeping the numbers that I have today, and ended up with just one ball python, it would still be kept in a tub, because of the ease of maintaining heat and humidity.
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
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Originally Posted by rabernet
Ball pythons don't need supplemental lighting, and in fact, lighting dries up the air, and having no lighting helps to keep the humidity up.
My racks all have belly heat routered into the shelf of each level.
Larger scaled breeders may actually have the rooms temp controlled, rather than the racks themselves (so the room is 85-87 degrees).
Humidity is a breeze to keep up in tubs.
If I ever found myself not keeping the numbers that I have today, and ended up with just one ball python, it would still be kept in a tub, because of the ease of maintaining heat and humidity.
They dont need supplemental lightning of any kind?
So the guy whos selling me a tank, who tells me its very important to keep 12 hours light in the tank, and 12 hour dark is full of crap and just wants to sell me some bulbs?
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
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Originally Posted by Danish newb
They dont need supplemental lightning of any kind?
So the guy whos selling me a tank, who tells me its very important to keep 12 hours light in the tank, and 12 hour dark is full of crap and just wants to sell me some bulbs?
Yep... either that, or they just don't know any better! Ball Pythons are nocturnal, and 12 hours of light would really stress them out. :oops: Not to mention the humidity issue, which I actually use to my advantage sometimes. It often gets TOO humid in my BP's tubs, so I'll put a lamp on it for the day - that can lower it from 80+ to 55-60 in a matter of hours.
P.S. How big of a tank is this person trying to sell you? Just curious, since I'm afraid he would also not understand sizing requirements (smaller is better).
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
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Originally Posted by omnibus2
I've seen some videos of people keeping dozens or even hundreds of bps in small plastic tubs in shelves, and they obviously seem to be doing it with great success.
My question is how do they account for proper humidity and temperature levels? They don't use lamps or any heating systems or anything like that. Thanks for your response.
well the only time ive seen that is when there hatching or there young before they can breed :)
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
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Originally Posted by omnibus2
I've seen some videos of people keeping dozens or even hundreds of bps in small plastic tubs in shelves, and they obviously seem to be doing it with great success.
My question is how do they account for proper humidity and temperature levels? They don't use lamps or any heating systems or anything like that. Thanks for your response.
ohh lol i thought you meant all of them in one contanier hahaha lol no those are called racks they work great!
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
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Originally Posted by BallPythonGeek13
ohh lol i thought you meant all of them in one contanier hahaha lol
Yeah, that's what I thought too when I read the title... :D
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
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Originally Posted by Lolo76
Ball Pythons are nocturnal, and 12 hours of light would really stress them out.
Most reptiles, whether diurnal or nocturnal, benefit from regular day/night intervals. I kept my normal female in a 40-gallon tank with a bulb set for 12 hours on/12 hours off, and she was as happy as a clam. In fact, she hated it when I moved her to a tub. She's used to it now, though, thank goodness.
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
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Originally Posted by Eventide
Most reptiles, whether diurnal or nocturnal, benefit from regular day/night intervals. I kept my normal female in a 40-gallon tank with a bulb set for 12 hours on/12 hours off, and she was as happy as a clam. In fact, she hated it when I moved her to a tub. She's used to it now, though, thank goodness.
Then I stand corrected... I was told (on this forum) that BPs generally don't like lights, which is why they suggest using red or black - since they can't see it.
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
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Originally Posted by rabernet
Ball pythons don't need supplemental lighting, and in fact, lighting dries up the air, and having no lighting helps to keep the humidity up.
My racks all have belly heat routered into the shelf of each level.
Larger scaled breeders may actually have the rooms temp controlled, rather than the racks themselves (so the room is 85-87 degrees).
Humidity is a breeze to keep up in tubs.
If I ever found myself not keeping the numbers that I have today, and ended up with just one ball python, it would still be kept in a tub, because of the ease of maintaining heat and humidity.
Are your racks made of melamine particle board? If so, bad idea routering a channel for the heat tape. The bare particle board releases formaldehyde gasses when heated which can be toxic in high enough levels.
Greg Graziani talked about it in his recent interview on Reptile Radio. I have heard it a few other places as well.
Just some food for thought ...
Fact sheet
Robin
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
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Originally Posted by Dr_Gonz0
Are your racks made of melamine particle board?
No, it's a manufactured expanded PVC rack, similar to the Reptile Basics racks. The brand is Herp Enclosures. He has since, apparently gone out of business.
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Re: How do people keep masses of them in tubs?
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Originally Posted by Danish newb
They dont need supplemental lightning of any kind?
So the guy whos selling me a tank, who tells me its very important to keep 12 hours light in the tank, and 12 hour dark is full of crap and just wants to sell me some bulbs?
No, they do not need any supplemental lighting. The natural light that comes through your windows provides enough of a day/night light cycle for your snake.
They also don't need any special lighting (like UVB, or mercury vapor), because they get enough calcium through the prey that they eat.
The guy at the pet store is motivated to sell dry goods as well as animals, but he also may not be a reptile "expert" and in regards to the reptiles - they are using the "one size fits all" rule of thumb. If it's a reptile, it needs "X Y and Z".
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