? about morphs with specific look

Ok, so for quite a while now I've been trying to decide what my next snake purchase should be. I'm pretty much just looking for a pet at this point, but am only interested in some of the more high end morphs, even if pretty much everyone else likes to breed them to produce more of the same morph or to try to create something new (which is definitely a good thing). But I have a question, especially after seeing so many more morphs pop up every day.

My question is this: What morphs are out there, including pictures, that are either 1. Solid black and/or gray (for the most part). 2. Solid white (that will not go yellow with age, or at least be very close to solid white)?

I think a few that I can remember off hand are the super black pastel and the silver bullet as far as black/gray morphs go. And for white I've seen lucy(don't know if the eye color has an effect on the particular shade of white it is), Ivory, and snow.

If there are other morphs out there that are very similar to those described I'd really like to know what morph it is and would really love to see both a picture of one as a neo and as an adult, so I could be prepared for what types of color changes I should expect over time.

And as a side note, I was also considering my next snake being a blood python, but as far as finding morphs that look better than the norms, there doesn't seem to be too many options to chose from. But since I would really like a snake near that size, the bp was my next choice, even if it means having something that won't grow quite as big as I'd like. After having a male bp for 12+ years, and now having boas that will easily reach 8'(hog island female and albino male) and be pretty hefty, I've come to prefer the larger size, in comparison with what you'd find with bps, although I've seen some female bps reach just about the size I'd like.

Sorry for the super long post, but just wanted to get that all out there so everyone could have a better understanding of what I'm looking for. Hopefully some of you here could help me get together a little list, including pictures of both a neo and an adult (so I can have an idea of how/if their appearance changes over time).

I don't know if you've seen this yet or not , but here's a link to a page which has 100 different morphs.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ollection.html

as to your question about solid grey or solid white.

on the NERD site I linked , there's the cinnamon-super and then there's the lucy's and the ivory's you mentioned.

it does look like the blue-eyed lucy's are the whitest.

Ralph Davis, RalphDavisReptiles.com claims that the "super lessers" are the whitest of the bps. No dorsal stripe or cheek marks. They are a form of the Blue Eyed Lucy. I'm not sure how their color changes as the mature, but they are a very cool white snake IMO.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...y_blue_eye.asp

i tought Butter x Butter produce the whitest lucy.

Ok, so this is what I've found so far between those links and some more searching:

Black/gray:
Super Cinnamon
Super Black Pastel
Silver Bullet

White:
Black or Blue Eyed Leucistic
Ivory
Snow

If there are any others let me know.

I have a LesserxRusso BEL and he is white as white can be. The only time he has color is when he turns pink to shed. There is no Grey, purple, or yellow on him as far as the eye can see.

Black Eyed Lucys from Fire to Fire breedings are very cool, not to knock the Blue eyed Lucys... ;)

Yeah, for me the eye color wouldn't particularly matter. They're beautiful snakes anyways if they are the whitest white.
But that is my goal, to get a white bp that will stay white and not end up yellowed, or a black bp that will stay black and not start to brown up over time.

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Originally Posted by Aleria

Yeah, for me the eye color wouldn't particularly matter. They're beautiful snakes anyways if they are the whitest white.
But that is my goal, to get a white bp that will stay white and not end up yellowed, or a black bp that will stay black and not start to brown up over time.

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You should see my Super Black Pastel girl (thread in this section). ;)

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Originally Posted by NorthernRegius.com

You should see my Super Black Pastel girl (thread in this section). ;)

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She's a beautiful one. I think that's why I'd prefer a super black pastel to the cinny, because the cinnys still seem to brown up over time, where as the sbp seem to just change in shade either lighter or darker but stay black.

If you like a little pink with your white, you could try and go for an albino leucy. That is called a polar ball.

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Originally Posted by Aleria

She's a beautiful one. I think that's why I'd prefer a super black pastel to the cinny, because the cinnys still seem to brown up over time, where as the sbp seem to just change in shade either lighter or darker but stay black.

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That's why I went Black Pastels for making the Super. Cinnys do make many cool designer crosses though.

The "whitest" whites I have seen have been the all white Pieds. 2 people have posted pictures of their all white that came from a Spider Het Pied X Pied pairing.

I pretty positive anything that doesn't have mojave in it makes a pretty white BEL. I got told from Brain B that Lesser x Lesser makes the whitest hands down, but from i've seen posted on here, just about anything without mojave in it does.

Actually, the best BELs one can produce are from Russo x Russo pairings. They're called White Diamonds for this reason. :)

Super Pewters stay very silvery grey solidly

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Super Pewters stay very silvery grey solidly

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What are we talking for this cross? Sorry, I just know the names Sterlings, Sliver bullets & Sliver Streaks.

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I have a LesserxRusso BEL and he is white as white can be. The only time he has color is when he turns pink to shed. There is no Grey, purple, or yellow on him as far as the eye can see.

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Originally Posted by EdShal

i tought Butter x Butter produce the whitest lucy.

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On the NERD webpage under the blue eye lucy info page they say that these white snakes have been produced by mojave, lesser, phantom, Russo, and in the other projects, butter. I'm sure they all age differantly and then the combos of one to another is another thing all together. I'm guessing these morphs must have a distant relative. Probably some all white snake or something. :P

Heres a good picture of my lesserxrussos head

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/DSC01947.jpg

Wow, that is extremely white, doesn't seem to have one bit of the black or gray markings like a lot of them do.

There are Ivory blood pythons, but they have a good deal of pattern going down their spine with the rest of their bodies being a slightly "dirty" white.

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Originally Posted by NorthernRegius.com

What are we talking for this cross? Sorry, I just know the names Sterlings, Sliver bullets & Sliver Streaks.

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Super Pewters are Super Pastel Super Cinnies (or Super Black Pastels)

The Ultimate Pewter project.

there is also the axanthic piebald. mostly white with black and silver patches.
here's a link from another post on bp

http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p...exanthic_1.gif

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Originally Posted by Whoodnballs

On the NERD webpage under the blue eye lucy info page they say that these white snakes have been produced by mojave, lesser, phantom, Russo, and in the other projects, butter. I'm sure they all age differantly and then the combos of one to another is another thing all together. I'm guessing these morphs must have a distant relative. Probably some all white snake or something. :P

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Yes, any combination of those (other than phantom x phantom) produce BELs. The genes responsible for the co-dom morphs are all on the same loci, so they all produce leucistics. It is still very strange that there are so many different-looking co-dom that produce them, though! Makes BPs all that more interesting, methinks! :D

Another question, are any of these particular snakes prone to defects (IE. kinking, wobbling, etc.)?

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Originally Posted by Aleria

Another question, are any of these particular snakes prone to defects (IE. kinking, wobbling, etc.)?

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some say the supper cinny have a duckbill look to them but i think its in the coloring of the animal more than a defect, but nothing like the carmels or the spiders

Good good, I just hate that a lot of the more specialty morphs have defects like that and would really prefer not to get one that might have one or might end up with one later on.

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Originally Posted by Aleria

Good good, I just hate that a lot of the more specialty morphs have defects like that and would really prefer not to get one that might have one or might end up with one later on.

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i also hate that.