Where do you see the BP morph market in 10 years?

I was just curious what everyone else's input was. And I'm talking about everything...how available some morphs are, what new morphs will be being produced, most popular ones, prices, etc,. I have pics from a show I went to in 1999....Price of a pied was 10k, albino was 5K, and pastel was.....$2500 :O

10 years from now I see.....breeders with only 10% normals in their collections, many morphs affordable and available for everyone, special BP only reptile shows, and.....blue balls! :P

I bet, in the next 10 years, there will probably be over 100 new morphs produced, and prices of MANY expensive morphs will go down. For example, the BEL. I think BELs will be in the $$$ instead of the $$$$. The Pastel BP I think will most likely be extremely cheap, maybe below $50. Normals I think will most likely be under $10.

Yeah, I think you're right about the $10. You can already get em for $15. They'll be as cheap and available as normal baby cornsnakes....;)

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Originally Posted by 4theSNAKElady

Yeah, I think you're right about the $10. You can already get em for $15. They'll be as cheap and available as normal baby cornsnakes....;)

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And I bet the baby Corns in 10 years will be $1 lol! Maybe even.. $0.01 :rolleyes:. I find the BPs at Petstores ripoffs.. I paid $60 at Petsmart for my first BP ('08). They were originally $80, but this employee that was helping us with the BP she had this employee discount and she said it was her last day to use it and she didn't need it so she gave it to us and it took $20 off of the original price for my BP which was very sweet of her to do. Though, I definitely think it was worth paying $60 for her because she is one awesome snake. I also paid $50 for my '09 male at a herpetological society.

Were going to see more combo morphs. I hope prices dont keep going down though. I hope they go up

I went to the Daytona show today, the prices were about normal but there were some steals. I got a Mojave female that is BLAZING for 200$. I did see a guy buy a pair of pastels for 140$.

The most amazing snake i seen was the Banana that Brock had for sale which was 20,000$ but it was the most impressive snake i have ever seen. Pics do not do them justice, just about every other BP looks the same in pics but these are amazing in person.

I did not go around the whole show because my buddy got a Nose Be Panther chameleon and i already had my mojave. I though BP.net was going to have a table but i guess they didn't.

2019-2020 BP Morph Pricelist:

Cinnamon Glow Albino Pied - $1250
Cinnamon Glow Albino Het Pied - $950
Super Nutmeg - $950
Axanthic Spinnerblast G-stripe Pied - $1,000
Hypo Infernusblast - $2,000
Toffee Pastel Yellowbelly Super Pied - $3,500
Super Fudge Extreme Ghost - $3,250
Albino - $85
Pied - $100
Clown - $100
BEL - $145
Dreamsicle - $25,000
Lavender Albino - $200

The Nutmeg and Fudge were founded by me in 2017...Had them imported from the bush in Africa... Proved genetic... And Brock Wagner Made the first Infernusblast in 2019.... ;) LOL

im still hoping for a motley ball python to exist

pieds-600
spiders-100
pastels- 40-50
mojaves-150
pinstripes-150
albino-250-300
axanthic-250
fires-150

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Originally Posted by DarkComeSoon

im still hoping for a motley ball python to exist

pieds-600
spiders-100
pastels- 40-50
mojaves-150
pinstripes-150
albino-250-300
axanthic-250
fires-150

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I hope for a Sunglow Ball Pythons to exist :D ...

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Originally Posted by DBD

2019-2020 BP Morph Pricelist:

Cinnamon Glow Albino Pied - $1250
Cinnamon Glow Albino Het Pied - $950
Super Nutmeg - $950
Axanthic Spinnerblast G-stripe Pied - $1,000
Hypo Infernusblast - $2,000
Toffee Pastel Yellowbelly Super Pied - $3,500
Super Fudge Extreme Ghost - $3,250
Albino - $85
Pied - $100
Clown - $100
BEL - $145
Dreamsicle - $25,000
Lavender Albino - $200

The Nutmeg and Fudge were founded by me in 2017...Had them imported from the bush in Africa... Proved genetic... And Brock Wagner Made the first Infernusblast in 2019.... ;) LOL

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I like it. You will see 10x combos...
Normals will be in demand because no one has them
Why is the Dreamsicle still so pricey though lol

I also believe more people will be into the BPs then there is now for future market.

I'm hoping before then I have my own Crystal Ball to look at,

Seriously it's economics- supply & demand. Let's protect our rights to keep these wonderful animal so we can legally supply the demand for them. :banana::banana:

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Originally Posted by Envied Reptiles

I like it. You will see 10x combos...
Normals will be in demand because no one has them
Why is the Dreamsicle still so pricey though lol

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lol I doubt normals will ever be in demand, thousands of CH are shipped in every year, not to mentions the hundreds of possible het males that people label as normals just to move them. There will be loads of normals but a lot of extra genes floating around that nobody botheres to breed out..or possibly even know they are there to breed out in the first place.

Well, I hope we can keep snakes in 10 years.

A lot of interesting opinions-I'm going to go against the flow here and say that normals will actually go UP in price in the next few years, to $50-$75 a baby. This will happen after the inevitable import ban (which i don't think will happen this year, but will certainly happen within 5 years).

This will boost prices of all the lower-end morphs-I believe prices for Pastels, for example, will drop slightly next year, but will stabilize (after imports are gone) at about the present level....

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Originally Posted by Envied Reptiles

Why is the Dreamsicle still so pricey though lol

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People created them, but they dont want to let go of them... lol

I'm willing to bet in 10 years there will be a certifying body (somewhat like AKC for dogs) that defines and documents the standards for each morph, organizes competitions for points, and champions only the best examples. These will then be the source of a secondary "show quality" market of much higher priced, registered animals in which we very well may see $1000+ pastels again.

My predictions:

Assuming we're still allowed to legally own "exotic pets" at all in the next 20 years (which unfortunately I do tend to doubt), or even any pets at all aside from mass-produced dogs and cats of "safe" breeds ... :salute: :mad:

I started keeping chinchillas long after I started keeping snakes, but I think they still make a good model for what the ball python market may be in the next 20 years.

I do agree that a ban on importation of CH ball pythons (and all other "exotic pets") will most likely stabilize the market on normal babies somewhat, pushing the price up to, on average, $15-20 wholesale for normals instead of $8-15 like it is now. Normals will still be plentiful, as they will still be produced in clutches of co-dom x co-dom, etc., but they won't be *as* plentiful as they won't be coming in from Africa by the truckload. This means that normals, if properly marketed to the pet market, could be sold for $75 and up.

As far as the morph market goes, I think that the trend is going to be towards combo morphs, yes, but also largely towards breeding for *quality.* I think that a low-grade, brown pastel male will still be only in the $35-50 range, but a brilliant yellow, super-blushy one may be $100 or even $150, maybe even more. There's been so little done with selective breeding to IMPROVE traits (not just combine them with other traits) that it's tough to imagine a baby pastel that'd be worth paying $1000 for right now ... But I could see it happening. Imagine a line of normal pastels that looked better than most modern supers ...

I don't know about a show standard -- that's an interesting thought, though. I tend to doubt it ONLY because most show standards for mammals are based on conformation, and I think it would be hard to come up with a uniform standard for color/pattern only. Plus, there are so many different variations that can all be considered attractive -- while most everyone can agree that a brown pastel is uglier than a nice, bright yellow one, some people really flip for busy, high-contrast patterns while others like them more low-contrast and blushy.

I could very easily see competitions, but I think it would be hard to write standards ... Plus, with literally 100's of combo morphs out there, it'd be hard to write a standard for each one.

Meanwhile, I also think that the lowering prices of the average morph will make these animals much more accessible to the average pet owner. This will allow the market to continue to expand as the first-time BP owner finds himself faced with a rainbow of colors to choose from, making these animals even more appealing as pets.

So yeah, my predictions: Quality and bloodline will become much more important, while lower quality animals will be marketed much more to the pet market, which will expand as a result.

These are some great responses guys!!! And I totally want (lol) an infernus blast....sssssss!

Co-dom and Dom morphs will definatly go down much quicker then recessive. Combos with only 2 expressed genes will be down, ALOT. I see bees being in the 4-5 hundreds, or less. The big money will be with recessives, as it always has been. I wouldn't be surprised to see triple recessives here in the next few years, quad co-doms/doms too (Brock has got one already if I'm not mistaken...). Given the amount of base morphs there are, the possibilites are just about endless, and the easy stuff will plummit in light of new combos.

I can see pastels and spiders make the shift into the mainstream pet market (petcos, petsmarts) I can remember seeing a good spider go for 450 6 months ago, I could probably get one for half that now.

Yeah, I have already seen pastels and spiders in smaller stores...but not Petco and Petsmart...yet.

I do not think the price of normals will go down. One of two things will happen--it will stay about the same (equivalent to inflation, of course!), or it will go up slightly. A lot depends on how things go in Africa. If the supply of CH babies were to drop, CBB baby normals would be in higher demand, and prices would rise. The vast bulk of normal babies in the country come from Africa, not breeders. Breeders will continue to focus on morphs and other special animals.

I do think some of the low-end morphs will come down within range of regular consumers. Pastels may go down in price to the level of normals, and you may see males in pet stores. Ditto for yellowbellies, a variety of hets, spiders, womas, cinnamons, and pinstripes. Most females will be held back or sold within the ball community, and only males will be seen in the general market. We'll see more triple-combo-morphs, and even quadruple combo-morphs. More morphs will have been discovered. I think that the numbers in the game will be about the same, only the faces will change (IE, which morphs are pricey, which combos are hot, etc).
Since balls grow and breed so slowly, 10 years is only 3 or 4 generations after all!

I think we will see more line-bred morphs, rather than single-gene or combo-gene morphs.

The ball python has been a popular pet for decades--it will remain popular for the same reasons it became so in the first place. It's not a fad animal, but a staple of the market.

in 10 years i think you will see combos like on the python game website thing.. LOL

In 10 years and more it will look more like the corn snake.

People should really see the Corn Snake as a base to how this industry evolve. To that, you need to add the internet and worldwide issue.

I am from Canada, so things are a bit different, price aren't the same, not all the morph are available, or the price are different (you don't see many phantom around etc...)

The tri/quad codoms will be there and way cheaper, around the price we pay for a 2 gene combos these days (depending on wich gene etc...) but the double recessive + codoms or triple recessive etc... morph will be high in price.

One more thing, it's possible the price will collapse even more or really start to stabilize. In the last years, the price have been set with a growing market. When that market start to stop growing, stabilize or even go down, what will happen ? If there is less buyers, price will go do rapidly. May be some bigger breeders will fall. Who will be able to keep doing breeding as their first income ? If your price drop, if you don't increase the number of babies you are selling, your income will drop and who want to make less money ? But if everyone increase, will the market be able to support it ?

Well, actually I have no idea on what's going to happen and I don't really care :) I do this as a hobby, if I can make my money back in 3-5 years, I will be happy. I love this hobby cause it's calm me after a big work day. In my field, it's mostly only solving problems etc.. so cleaning and feeding is something I find easy and help me clear my head. The fact that I can also do it any time I feel like it, that I can take a few days off and it should be fine, is just a big plus :)

I actually don't agree that the corn snake market is a good parallel. The problem with corn snakes (and leopard geckos) is that they lay a lot of eggs each year. Corn snakes can even double-clutch. As a result, you get a lot more offspring from 'special' animals.
This is a simple fact of physiology that isn't going to change about ball pythons. The average clutch size is still 6, females don't lay every year, and they never double-clutch. The proliferation of new morphs is restricted by this simple fact, and that's the reason ball pythons are such a popular reptile investment.

Ball pythons have been popular pet snakes for decades. I don't see that changing. In fact, more people have become interested in keeping reptiles. I think that number will continue to rise as time passes--the population still continues to expand, and the percentage interested in reptiles expands even faster. We could use another Steve Irwin to make folks interested in herps, though.

Because of the fact that there is a constant pet market for ball pythons in general, there is always a safety valve at the bottom of the heap--balls can always go onto the pet market. Perhaps they'll only go on for $9 apiece wholesale, but they will go. This is what keeps it from being a big old pyramid scheme. ^_^

I can see this going for a LOooong time. If I didn't think it would, I wouldn't have gotten on board with it in the first place. I didn't go in thinking I would get rich quick--I'm hoping for a good steady growth and a solid business. I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that isn't going to happen. There are still snakes around for 10 grand, though not many. The fact that people cry the sky is falling because snakes worth 10 grand last year are worth 'only' 5 grand now just makes me laugh. You're gonna get your money back eventually, and then some, it just might take a year longer. It's not a disaster.

I think some folks have unrealistic expectations. Basically...don't quit your 'day job' too quickly. It takes a lot of snake poo to make a living. I also see a trend in folks trying to scare off new folks who want to invest in ball pythons, or start up small-time breeding as a hobby business. This is silly and counterproductive. Those newcomers aren't competitors, they're customers. :P Who ELSE do you think is buying morphs? Not Joe Random off the street--only someone interested in getting into ball python breeding.

We should be telling these folks that this is a good investment (it appears to be, to me, so that's honest), and tell them how to go about doing it the smart way, so they'll stick with it. That's how we'll keep the market growing.

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Originally Posted by DarkComeSoon

im still hoping for a motley ball python to exist

pieds-600
spiders-100
pastels- 40-50
mojaves-150
pinstripes-150
albino-250-300
axanthic-250
fires-150

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It's not even been a whole year since this post and Pieds are already at $600 :( ... and from what I've seen Mojaves aren't far from eing $150 either.

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Originally Posted by tbowman

Well, I hope we can keep snakes in 10 years.

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Ditto

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Originally Posted by SGExotics

2019-2020 BP Morph Pricelist:

Cinnamon Glow Albino Pied - $1250
Cinnamon Glow Albino Het Pied - $950
Super Nutmeg - $950
Axanthic Spinnerblast G-stripe Pied - $1,000
Hypo Infernusblast - $2,000
Toffee Pastel Yellowbelly Super Pied - $3,500
Super Fudge Extreme Ghost - $3,250
Albino - $85
Pied - $100
Clown - $100
BEL - $145
Dreamsicle - $25,000
Lavender Albino - $200


The Nutmeg and Fudge were founded by me in 2017...Had them imported from the bush in Africa... Proved genetic... And Brock Wagner Made the first Infernusblast in 2019.... ;) LOL

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My goodness I hope not...
I do agree with all the prices exept the lavender albino price....$500+....Just my opinion tho..lol.

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Originally Posted by Bleepr

I see bees being in the 4-5 hundreds,or even less.

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they are!!!:rofl:

In 10 years, more morphs and paradox to come. Because many breeders making awesome combos.

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Originally Posted by Maurice Tebele

they are!!!:rofl:

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I dont think so!!!!!!