HR 669 Update

(from the NOHR669.com blog ... http://nohr669.com/blog/?p=245)

As most people are aware, Marshall Meyers is the CEO and General Council for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council (PIJAC). He has dedicated over 36 years of his life to protecting the rights and interests of the pet industry as a whole. That means everyone; from the national retailers, distributers, and wholesalers of both animals and pet products, to importers and exports, to smaller scale breeders, hobbyists, and individual pet owners.

Since 1970, there has never been a time when PIJAC has even come close to “selling out” one segment of the pet industry in favor of another. They have a proven track record of fighting for everyone. Whether it’s been a ban on dog breeding, importation issues relating to birds, giant python restrictions, or any of the tens of thousands of other pieces of legislation that would impact the pet industry negatively, for almost four decades, PIJAC has been out in front fighting for all of us.

Since starting the NOHR669.com website in early April, I’ve been lucky enough to get to know Marshall Meyers personally and have been extremely impressed by his dedication to protecting the rights of everyone involved with pets in any way. The hours he puts in and the time he dedicates go far above and beyond what anyone could reasonably expect from someone in his position.

Having heard the “internet rumors” circulating over the last week or so, I took the time to go visit Marshall at the PIJAC offices in Washington D.C. on Friday to confront him about these issues face to face. Marshall was gracious enough to spend about 4 ½ hours with my wife and I and let us get a behind the scenes look in to the work that PIJAC does. We saw first hand the numerous assaults that are coming our way from people that wish to end the pet trade in the United States completely. It truly is a terrifying time for pet owners in this country. We need to stand together now more than ever. If there is an issue of concern, we need to communicate rather than throw stones. If there is an issue of trust, we need to sit down face to face and resolve it rather than turn our backs on each other and be left with nothing. If we can’t figure out a way to swallow our pride, confront our fears, and work together … we stand to lose everything that we love and have worked so hard for.

Based on my conversations with Marshall, here is where we currently stand:

According to Marhsall, PIJAC is working on efforts (both legal and scientific) based on the Federal Invasive Species Management Plan to address the concerns brought up at the April 23rd hearing about species that are truly invasive. This work is on going and will take some time, but as soon as it is completed it will be shared with everyone.

In its 36+ year history, PIJAC has never supported a “white list” or “clean list” approach to invasive species management and it does not now, nor will it in the future. PIJAC believes that following the Federal Invasive Species Management Plan is the best way to address species that are truly invasive. Marshall denies that PIJAC is working on any compromises involving a “white list” or “clean list” and there are certainly no secret meetings taking place between PIJAC and HSUS.

Many people in the reptile community are concerned about PIJACs National Reptile Improvement Plan (NRIP) and how it might be related to HR 669 – Marshall is adamant that NRIP has absolutely nothing to do with HR 699. It is a completely voluntary industry accreditation program that is available to anyone that feels that they might benefit from it. It’s been around for many years before HR 669. Almost every large industry in the United States has a group like PIJAC that represents them and those groups often have “best practices” or “accreditation” programs like PIJAC does with NRIP. Some members of those groups choose to seek accreditation, others do not.

Marshall welcomes any questions or concerns from both PIJAC members as well as non-members. He can be contacted through the PIJAC website at www.pijac.org.

I have a bunch of additional information to share on the NOHR669.com blog and will work over the next couple of days to have it all posted. If there are any direct questions for me, or if there’s any way that I can help at all, please don’t hesitate to contact me at info@nohr669.com.

Thank you.

Adam Wysocki
www.nohr669.com

Adam, thanks for posting this. In any large group of people you're always going to have a fringe element spreading their paranoia and conspiracy theories. It's good to get information like this directly from the source.

Personally I think PIJAC has done a wonderful job of speaking out for our side. I'm not a business or make my living from the pet industry, I'm just a small time breeder who has enjoyed keeping and breeding various species of reptiles for many many years. How can I as a small time hobbiest show my support for this organization?

The amount of disinformation circulating around about Marshall, PIJAC and the NRIP is embarrassing. The chicken-lippers should be ashamed of themselves.

Secret sell-out meetings, double-secrert probabtion white-lists, sinister back door deals with the snake and gecko mills.................I guess the tin-foil hats are on a bit too tight....................

The years of work that both PIJAC and Marshall have put in on behalf of safeguarding our rights speaks for itself.

Oh, no. They got Adam! :rofl:

Thanks for the update, Adam, and thanks for all the time and hard work you are putting into this for the benefit of everyone.

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Thank you!

Thank you for joining PIJAC! A PIJAC staff member will contact you shortly to confirm your membership information and make payment arrangements.

Thank you for your support and participation in PIJAC.

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Adam, just wanted to say thanks personally. I appreciate you taking the time to do the work you are.

The comment about "chicken lippers" is one that kind of irritates me. The fringe is present in every grouping, some more outspoken than others as is proven by some of our Fringers.

However, some of them are truly convinced that what they say is truth. Whether they do or not though, so long as we are so free to spurn and just plain be mean, our opponents have a much easier challenge.

There's a time and a place for ridicule and mocking which are quite different from having a difference of opinion with.

We need to choose whose throats need chomping with greater care than usual.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Adam, just wanted to say thanks personally. I appreciate you taking the time to do the work you are.

The comment about "chicken lippers" is one that kind of irritates me. The fringe is present in every grouping, some more outspoken than others as is proven by some of our Fringers.

However, some of them are truly convinced that what they say is truth. Whether they do or not though, so long as we are so free to spurn and just plain be mean, our opponents have a much easier challenge.

There's a time and a place for ridicule and mocking which are quite different from having a difference of opinion with.

We need to choose whose throats need chomping with greater care than usual.

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The intent wasn't to chomp anyone's throat.....and I get what you are saying......

I think there are some honest people in our community who have been misled as these rumors have evolved through the grapevine.

However this has always been a contentious community. It just seems that some people are using this whole environment as an excuse to re-open old wounds or take pot-shots at people they perceive as their rivals.

I think conspiracy theories are one thing, Wes, and it's easy to dismiss these theories when there is nothing at stake. However, the fringe seems to be unusually large and well-represented here. If we're feeling charitable, we can rationalize the attempts at misrepresenting the NRIP being attributable to a lack of reading comprehension or even a heightened sense of post-hr669 suspicion.

However when people like Marshall and Brian are singled out by name as people not to trust, it becomes harder to dismiss it at just being "the fringe"and even harder to let it go in the interest of preserving community unity - especially when they seem so intent on destroying it for what seems selfish reasons.

There are some who are decieved into thinking rumors are true. Some are convinced by those deceived.
Others are told by those convinced.
And thus does a lie gain merit into "possibilty", and further into "must be".

The ones to look into are the first who decieved. Who orignated the rumors? Who has professed to "know" that secret deals are happening? Who told the first lie?

There are always those who will believe the worst of anyone, esepcially when it can make their own side look better. Some believe that it is easier to tear down everything else, rather than step up themselves to raise their status.

We need to stay calm and smart, and look for truth, and disregard rumor. Look at who has helped the community, and who has goaded us to action, and who has stood up for our rights.
PIJAC, and USARK, and NOHR669, and SEVERAL big time breeders, including but not limited to Ralph Davis, NERD, BHB, 8Ball, and MANY many others ALL helped make this a success in raising our awareness, and getting us stirred to help ourselves. Don't let rumor-mongering by a few people spoil the effort, nor cause any divide between us.

Only my humble thoughts.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

How can I as a small time hobbiest show my support for this organization?

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Mark,

The best suggestion I have is to join PIJAC as an affiliate ... https://www.pijac.org/membership/forms/index.asp. There is strength in numbers for sure and PIJAC really needs the membership dues.

I'd also encourage everyone in the reptile hobby/trade to support and join USARK. We need to stand together and USARK is the definitive voice of all reptile keepers.

If you keep birds or fish, join organizations involved in supporting those hobbys.

Also, spread the word. The more people that we all can educate about the joy of keeping pets and interacting with these amazing creatures the less of a hold that the "pet prohibitionists" will have on our lives.

I know that times are tough and money is tight for everyone right now, but if you're spending at least $12 a week on reptile food, bedding, electric, and/or other supplies, membership in BOTH PIJAC and USARK is less than 10% of your total annual expenses. A small price to pay to protect your rights to keep your animals.

Both of these organizations are our best bet at fighting the groups that want to end all pet ownership in the United States.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

The amount of disinformation circulating around about Marshall, PIJAC and the NRIP is embarrassing. The chicken-lippers should be ashamed of themselves.

Secret sell-out meetings, double-secrert probabtion white-lists, sinister back door deals with the snake and gecko mills.................I guess the tin-foil hats are on a bit too tight....................

The years of work that both PIJAC and Marshall have put in on behalf of safeguarding our rights speaks for itself.

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I agree that the unsubstantiated rumors being spread are extremely disappointing in these desperate time. The anti-pet organizations have non-native species keepers like most of us in their sights and unity is the only weapon we really have to fight them.

I don't know that I'd go so far as to put anyone down or call names ... there is just a lot of confusion and fear in the reptile community right now and different people are reacting in different ways. Some unfortunately are not so productive.

It's my hope that through communication and a positive attitude towards putting aside differences and working together that we can stand up to those that wish to take away everything that we love.

Please stay positive and try and extend a welcoming hand to those that you disagree with. Even if they push it away the first time, keep trying ... it's our only hope.

-adam

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

Oh, no. They got Adam! :rofl:

Thanks for the update, Adam, and thanks for all the time and hard work you are putting into this for the benefit of everyone.

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Hey Jake,

My main motivation is certainly a selfish one. I'm honestly terrified of losing everything that I'm been working my a$$ off over the years to build up. I love my animals and the thought of them being taken away keeps me up at night.

That said, I'm willing to do whatever I have to in order to take a stand against this anti-pet agenda. I believe it's time that we all stand up and say "NO MORE". I'll keep going until I feel confident that I don't have anything left to worry about and do my best to keep everyone informed along the way.

If there's anything that I could be doing better, please don't hesitate to give me a smack in the head and say so. I just want to help as best I can.

-adam

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Adam, just wanted to say thanks personally. I appreciate you taking the time to do the work you are.

The comment about "chicken lippers" is one that kind of irritates me. The fringe is present in every grouping, some more outspoken than others as is proven by some of our Fringers.

However, some of them are truly convinced that what they say is truth. Whether they do or not though, so long as we are so free to spurn and just plain be mean, our opponents have a much easier challenge.

There's a time and a place for ridicule and mocking which are quite different from having a difference of opinion with.

We need to choose whose throats need chomping with greater care than usual.

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Thanks Wes, I really appreciate it.

And while I certainly understand the frustration that some people are feeling, I agree with you on the name calling (wait, did I just say that? ;) )

I really hope that we can all find a way to come together for at least a little bit ... I know it isn't easy, but it's the only way we stand a chance. After this gets kicked in the teeth and isn't something that we need to worry about then we can go back to hating each other as usual. :D

-adam

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

There are some who are decieved into thinking rumors are true. Some are convinced by those deceived.
Others are told by those convinced.
And thus does a lie gain merit into "possibilty", and further into "must be".

The ones to look into are the first who decieved. Who orignated the rumors? Who has professed to "know" that secret deals are happening? Who told the first lie?

There are always those who will believe the worst of anyone, esepcially when it can make their own side look better. Some believe that it is easier to tear down everything else, rather than step up themselves to raise their status.

We need to stay calm and smart, and look for truth, and disregard rumor. Look at who has helped the community, and who has goaded us to action, and who has stood up for our rights.
PIJAC, and USARK, and NOHR669, and SEVERAL big time breeders, including but not limited to Ralph Davis, NERD, BHB, 8Ball, and MANY many others ALL helped make this a success in raising our awareness, and getting us stirred to help ourselves. Don't let rumor-mongering by a few people spoil the effort, nor cause any divide between us.

Only my humble thoughts.

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I agree ... the rumors can really tear some people up. I hope that people that are concerned will ask questions instead of just believing without question. PIJAC and USARK are great sources of information when you need a question answered.

-adam

I am a proud memeber of PIJAC and USARK.
I suggest everyone who keeps these beautiful animals and would like to continue to, do the same

Thanks for the info Adam:gj:

Not sure if anyone noticed or not, but hr669 now has 30 co-sponsors!

If you have not aleready done so, now is the time to join PIJAC !!

Below is the newest list from govtrack.us

Cosponsors [as of 2009-05-07]

Rep. Grace Napolitano [D-CA]
Rep. Bob Filner [D-CA]
Del. Eni Faleomavaega [D-AS]
Del. Donna Christensen [D-VI]
Rep. James McGovern [D-MA]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ]
Rep. Sam Farr [D-CA]
Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL]
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL]
Del. Gregorio Sablan [I-MP]
Rep. Timothy Walz [D-MN]
Rep. Rush Holt [D-NJ]
Rep. Charles Gonzalez [D-TX]
Rep. Dale Kildee [D-MI]
Rep. Ron Klein [D-FL]
Rep. Frank Pallone [D-NJ]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA]
Rep. Steven Rothman [D-NJ]
Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA]
Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA]
Rep. Steve Kagen [D-WI]
Rep. Maurice Hinchey [D-NY]
Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart [R-FL]
Rep. Steve Cohen [D-TN]
Rep. Ronald Kind [D-WI]
Rep. John Lewis [D-GA]
Rep. Lois Capps [D-CA]
Rep. Peter DeFazio [D-OR]
Rep. George Miller [D-CA]

31 co-sponsors as of today.

Be ready, it's coming!

-adam

Wow...might as well get started buying paper and envelopes!

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Wow...might as well get started buying paper and envelopes!

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That depends. I'm just speculating, but if the rules committee in the house allows the next version of 669 to go straight to the house floor, writing 450+ congressmen might not be the most effective means for fighting it. At that point, in person meetings with your Representative in Congress (or their staff at local district offices) will be absolutely critical. I would imagine that PIJAC, USARK, and other organizations would rapidly organize "lobby days" on the hill and try and get as many people as possible to come to Washington and meet directly with their reps. It's a very common and very effective lobbying method that I am sure is being thought about. HSUS has one planned for the end of July ... any guesses as to what's on the agenda?

Keep yourself informed, join as many "associations" as you feel comfortable with, and be ready to do whatever comes up next.

-adam

I have sent my representative emails after emails from all my diffrent accounts,I also intend to have my family call once or twice. I have also talked to markus of MJBP to let him know about this bill, and ask him to let me use his information on his care page to inform my representative of how ball pythons are no threat to the US. I'm expressing myself to them in my most emotional way, of how this crushes my dreams of ball python breeding as well as many others, of all types of animals. I will do all that I can to have any of my friends to help along with this.

Now up to 32 cosponsors

Del. Madeleine Bordallo [D-GU]hide cosponsors
Cosponsors [as of 2009-06-04]
Rep. Grace Napolitano [D-CA38]
Rep. Bob Filner [D-CA51]
Del. Eni Faleomavaega [D-AS]
Del. Donna Christensen [D-VI]
Rep. James McGovern [D-MA3]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ7]
Rep. Sam Farr [D-CA17]
Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL23]
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL18]
Del. Gregorio Sablan [I-MP]
Rep. Timothy Walz [D-MN1]
Rep. Rush Holt [D-NJ12]
Rep. Charles Gonzalez [D-TX20]
Rep. Dale Kildee [D-MI5]
Rep. Ron Klein [D-FL22]
Rep. Collin Peterson [D-MN7]
Rep. Frank Pallone [D-NJ6]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI1]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA6]
Rep. Steven Rothman [D-NJ9]
Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA9]
Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA4]
Rep. Steve Kagen [D-WI8]
Rep. Maurice Hinchey [D-NY22]
Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart [R-FL21]
Rep. Steve Cohen [D-TN9]
Rep. Ronald Kind [D-WI3]
Rep. John Lewis [D-GA5]
Rep. Lois Capps [D-CA23]
Rep. Brian Baird [D-WA3]
Rep. Peter DeFazio [D-OR4]
Rep. George Miller [D-CA7]

Hmm John Lewis is on that list..he's from my state. ROBIN! We have some phone calls to make!

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Hmm John Lewis is on that list..he's from my state. ROBIN! We have some phone calls to make!

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He's been on the list since right after the hearing. Where have you been? :P

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Originally Posted by rabernet

He's been on the list since right after the hearing. Where have you been? :P

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Under my favorite rock of course!

Now up to 33 CO sponsors........


Del. Madeleine Bordallo [D-GU]


Cosponsors [as of 2009-06-20]
Rep. Grace Napolitano [D-CA38]
Rep. Bob Filner [D-CA51]
Del. Eni Faleomavaega [D-AS]
Del. Donna Christensen [D-VI]
Rep. James McGovern [D-MA3]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ7]
Rep. Sam Farr [D-CA17]
Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL23]
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL18]
Del. Gregorio Sablan [I-MP]
Rep. Timothy Walz [D-MN1]
Rep. Rush Holt [D-NJ12]
Rep. Charles Gonzalez [D-TX20]
Rep. Dale Kildee [D-MI5]
Rep. Ron Klein [D-FL22]
Rep. Collin Peterson [D-MN7]
Rep. Suzanne Kosmas [D-FL24]
Rep. Frank Pallone [D-NJ6]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI1]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA6]
Rep. Steven Rothman [D-NJ9]
Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA9]
Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA4]
Rep. Steve Kagen [D-WI8]
Rep. Maurice Hinchey [D-NY22]
Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart [R-FL21]
Rep. Steve Cohen [D-TN9]
Rep. Ronald Kind [D-WI3]
Rep. John Lewis [D-GA5]
Rep. Lois Capps [D-CA23]
Rep. Brian Baird [D-WA3]
Rep. Peter DeFazio [D-OR4]
Rep. George Miller [D-CA7]

I wish I had Millions to waste of Padding some politician's pocket.

I hope most of you realize almost everyone on the list are DEMOCRATS. Remember that next time you go vote.........

Del. Madeleine Bordallo [D-GU]hide cosponsors
Cosponsors [as of 2009-06-24]
Rep. Grace Napolitano [D-CA38]
Rep. Bob Filner [D-CA51]
Del. Eni Faleomavaega [D-AS]
Del. Donna Christensen [D-VI]
Rep. Frank Pallone [D-NJ6]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI1]
Rep. James McGovern [D-MA3]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA6]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ7]
Rep. Steven Rothman [D-NJ9]
Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA9]
Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA4]
Rep. Steve Kagen [D-WI8]
Rep. Maurice Hinchey [D-NY22]
Rep. Sam Farr [D-CA17]
Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL23]
Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart [R-FL21]
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL18]
Del. Gregorio Sablan [I-MP]
Rep. Steve Cohen [D-TN9]
Rep. Ronald Kind [D-WI3]
Rep. Timothy Walz [D-MN1]
Rep. John Lewis [D-GA5]
Rep. Diana DeGette [D-CO1]
Rep. Rush Holt [D-NJ12]
Rep. Charles Gonzalez [D-TX20]
Rep. Dale Kildee [D-MI5]
Rep. Lois Capps [D-CA23]
Rep. Brian Baird [D-WA3]
Rep. Ron Klein [D-FL22]
Rep. Collin Peterson [D-MN7]
Rep. Peter DeFazio [D-OR4]
Rep. Suzanne Kosmas [D-FL24]
Rep. George Miller [D-CA7]

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I hope most of you realize almost everyone on the list are DEMOCRATS. Remember that next time you go vote.........

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:rolleyes:

I've been in touch many times w/P. DeFazio, but since he's a COSPONSOR, communication with him is like spitting in the wind. However, it was cleverly pointed out to me that we all should find out who the COMMITTE members are, not the cosponsors...and be in direct contact with the actual COMMITTEE.

My sis lives in WA, and her rep is on the COMMITTEE and (at the time she contacted him) didn't understand all that was involved should HR 669 pass. Her brilliant point was the fact that this as being presented, would have some very bad effects on the WA state importing, due to the number of foreign ships arriving in Puget Sound. Management and punishment would be a nightmare should some non-native critter be "imported" in the bilge water or on the hull of a ship.:gj:

Just some thoughts. I've been chasing COMMITTEE MEMBERS since. DeFazio is a waste of time.