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I think my snake loves me

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  • 08-23-2006, 09:37 PM
    Kilo
    I think my snake loves me
    Vote wether or not you believe your snake knows and show affection in odd noticable ways.
  • 08-23-2006, 09:44 PM
    python kid
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    no,snakes don't have feelings they're mindless.
  • 08-23-2006, 09:46 PM
    Kilo
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    This is just an opinion poll! (no facts allowed lol)

    :rolleyes:
  • 08-23-2006, 09:47 PM
    Shaun J
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Well, its not an opinion. Its a fact that snakes can't love or hate.
  • 08-23-2006, 09:50 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    you seem to be asking two different questions....

    Is it either...

    From your poll question you are asking:

    Does your snake love you or does your snake not care about you?

    From you post it seems like you are asking:

    Do you believe snakes feel emotions?

    Which one is it? Try wording your poll a bit better ;)
  • 08-23-2006, 09:55 PM
    Kilo
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    I apologize :( Im a sucky pollster (**Kilo goes and sits in the corner**)

    I was aiming for do you think your snake understand emotion.
  • 08-23-2006, 09:57 PM
    Shaun J
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Snakes don't understand emotion other than "I'm gonna eat you!!!"
  • 08-23-2006, 09:59 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kilo
    I apologize :( Im a sucky pollster (**Kilo goes and sits in the corner**)

    I was aiming for do you think your snake understand emotion.

    I edited your poll. Let me know if that is what you were aiming for.....if not, I can always change it back.
  • 08-23-2006, 10:16 PM
    Kilo
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    bpkid.. im siding with the rest of you bro. I just wanted to know everyone elses opinion.

    Daniel thats fine thanks.
  • 08-23-2006, 11:45 PM
    mr~python
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    they're instinctual creatures. they're not smart enough to love something or someone.
  • 08-24-2006, 12:53 AM
    Shaun J
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    To those who answered, My snake loves me, how did you come up with that conclusion????
  • 08-24-2006, 03:58 AM
    Razaiel
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bpkid
    Snakes don't understand emotion other than "I'm gonna eat you!!!"

    OR "Are you big enough to eat ME???"
  • 08-24-2006, 05:53 AM
    jessie_k_pythons
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Frankly My snakes all know when I walk in the room and poke their heads out. but if I was the size of a mouse I know Lady would eat me.

    Baby on the other hand I thinks feels some conection with me in some level.
    if he dose something he looks at me as if to say "look what I did mom! I fit my self in something smaller than me" or "I just made a poopie, look mom look!!" he looks for efection, almost begging for it. and he very much let me know if he likes something or dislikes it. but then again, we all want to wish our snakes love us and are able to show efection, emotion and anything other than "feed me" or "I will eat you" attitude"
  • 08-24-2006, 10:40 AM
    Ginevive
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Mine will often look out when someone apsses by; that's because the heat signal we emit must be pretty darned huge (never saw a rat THAT big!)
  • 08-24-2006, 11:04 AM
    AkivaSmith
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    I don't think that it is the heat signature that gives you away.

    Probably the vibrations from the floor transferring into the enclosure that warn the snake that there is something comming.

    Snakes are far smarter that Sharks. Sharks cannot even discern food from non-food -- they eat everything.
  • 08-24-2006, 11:07 AM
    Spaniard
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AkivaSmith
    I don't think that it is the heat signature that gives you away.

    Probably the vibrations from the floor transferring into the enclosure that warn the snake that there is something comming.

    Snakes are far smarter that Sharks. Sharks cannot even discern food from non-food -- they eat everything.

    I'm sure its that and the fact they can probably smell us in the air.
  • 08-24-2006, 12:19 PM
    snakey68
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    :O I am just gobsmacked 4 people think their snake loves them :O
  • 08-24-2006, 12:29 PM
    Kilo
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    see I told you people would poll there opinion! I did it for fun not to start fact wars! ** Please remain calm **

    :P :oops: ;) :D
  • 08-24-2006, 01:05 PM
    Mina
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Do I think my snakes love me? Well not to put to fine a point on it, no. I do not think either of my snakes recognize me beyond something that handles them once in a while and has gotten to the point where it does not smell like something that will eat or injure them.

    Both Dax (my BP) and Toby (my cornsnake) retreat when they have their heads out and I walk by. Toby, in particular, does not recognize us as much yet, but we have had him for just about a month now.
    My snakes don't mind being handled and will happily investigate calmy anyone who does so, but I think if they had a choice, they wouldn't ever leave their vivs.
  • 08-24-2006, 01:27 PM
    cassandra
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    My boa loves to pee on me...does that count? :P
  • 08-24-2006, 01:39 PM
    Kilo
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    LOL @ Cass - When I saw that you replied I knew it was going to be funny.
  • 08-24-2006, 01:44 PM
    Shaun J
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snakey68
    :O I am just gobsmacked 4 people think their snake loves them :O

    Very gobsmacked.
  • 08-24-2006, 02:32 PM
    Cartmansdad
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    They only have 3 emotions.I'm scared,I'm hungry,and he's gonna eat me.
  • 08-24-2006, 02:50 PM
    xdeus
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cartmansdad
    They only have 3 emotions.I'm scared,I'm hungry,and he's gonna eat me.

    Um... aren't the first and last the same emotion? :confused:
  • 08-24-2006, 03:12 PM
    Spaniard
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    I don't even know I would go as far as to say they have those three emotions...I think we're giving them those emotions, but if you break it down the snake is just reacting to a stimulus in the same way your eye blinks when dust enters it.

    There is no cognitive thought process, just instinct IMO.
  • 08-24-2006, 03:27 PM
    Ginevive
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cassandra
    My boa loves to pee on me...does that count? :P

    lol; you made my day!
  • 08-24-2006, 04:14 PM
    shhhli
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    How is this a question?
    anyways. I know my snakes would love me if they were able to make a connection between

    me having money :: no rat
    me having no money :: rat

    then again, they would just probably hate money.
  • 08-24-2006, 04:22 PM
    Kilo
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    uh oh it's up to 5 votes now!!! lol
  • 08-24-2006, 04:35 PM
    cassandra
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ginevive
    lol; you made my day!

    *high-fives Gin!*

    I have my revenge tho...Cleo peed on her Daddy *and* his favorite chair (Rick's lazyboy) last night - muwhahahhaha!

    Someone seriously needs to come up with snake diapers. :sweeet:
  • 08-24-2006, 05:43 PM
    Shaun J
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Once ten people vote " My snake loves me" I'm going to just go and jump off a cliff.
  • 08-24-2006, 05:54 PM
    Cartmansdad
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    I got it setup.:D :tombstone

    J/K lol
  • 08-24-2006, 06:04 PM
    snakey68
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    currently at 7 straight jackets and counting :crazy:
  • 08-24-2006, 10:29 PM
    Shaun J
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snakey68
    currently at 7 straight jackets and counting :crazy:


    LMAO!!!!
    :8::no::frustrate::crash:
  • 08-24-2006, 10:30 PM
    sidhe
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    While I know my snake does not feel love/emotions for me or anything else, this is an interesting topic. I once read a book called "When Elephants Weep--The Emotional Lives of Animals" by Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson & Susan McCarthy. It is an amazing book on how people thought that no animals ever experienced emotions. It was believed to only be a human trait. It doesn't have a snake story (didn't expect one) but, if this intersests you, I highly suggest reading the book. I'll warn you...it's a tear jerker though.
  • 08-24-2006, 11:37 PM
    Sapphire7
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    I believee my snake loves and same with all other living creatures.. Idc what people think.. but all animals can love.. with that said.. Im outy...
  • 08-24-2006, 11:38 PM
    Shaun J
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Not snakes. They can't love. They can barely think... lol.
  • 08-24-2006, 11:40 PM
    mr~python
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sapphire7
    Idc what people think.. but all animals can love..

    i highly disagree.
  • 08-25-2006, 07:53 AM
    shhhli
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sapphire7
    I believee my snake loves and same with all other living creatures.. Idc what people think.. but all animals can love.. with that said.. Im outy...

    Yes, they sure can, especially when most snakes spend all their lives alone and do not seek companions other than mating and even leave their offspring after laying/birth! wowee.
    mammals are one thing. but every animal is different. i think it takes on a level of intelligence to love. snakes are not on that level.
  • 08-25-2006, 10:31 AM
    Spaniard
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sapphire7
    I believee my snake loves and same with all other living creatures.. Idc what people think.. but all animals can love.. with that said.. Im outy...

    Thats right any creature with a heart has the capability to love....here i was thinking you needed a brain capable of rational thought...can I switch my vote?
  • 08-25-2006, 12:37 PM
    shhhli
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Spaniard
    Thats right any creature with a heart has the capability to love....here i was thinking you needed a brain capable of rational thought...can I switch my vote?

    Can't always not have it the way we want.
  • 08-25-2006, 03:22 PM
    RWillinnable
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Spaniard
    Thats right any creature with a heart has the capability to love....here i was thinking you needed a brain capable of rational thought...can I switch my vote?

    Jane Goodall might disagree with that statement.
  • 08-25-2006, 04:19 PM
    Spaniard
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Chimps have a much more developed brain than snakes.
  • 08-25-2006, 05:11 PM
    RWillinnable
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    So, you are saying that love, whatever that term may mean or whatever you think it means, is incapable of emerging from any lower level functioning area of the brain. Or if you prefer Freudian terms, love can only spring from the Ego. I disagree.

    I think the main problem with this discussion, other than the sophomoric glee people are extracting from their feelings of supposed superiority to others, is that the word love is by far the most overly used word in the English language. Do I think a snake is capable of love like romantic love? Of course not. Do I think a snake is capable of love like the love that The Christ or The Buddha had for the world? Absolutely not. Do I even think that a snake can feel empathy? Again, no. But can a snake feel safe, secure, emboldened, and not threatened by another being living in close proximity to it? Yes, I do. And those feelings are some of the feelings that I ascribe to the word love.

    The idea of love encompasses many things. To extract love of all but its logical and emotional elements is to diminish it.
  • 08-25-2006, 05:13 PM
    shhhli
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RWillinnable
    Jane Goodall might disagree with that statement.

    wow i bet you thought you were clever with that one.
    guys, this isnt a debate
    litterally, snakes have no mental capacity for complex emotions like love. if they did LOVE you, wouldn't they, you know.. show it? like give you 'kisses' and WANT to be held, nosing around you isnt wanting to be held, its investigation for food, escape, or warmth.

    comparing chimps with snakes is just rediculous.
    my car loves me.
    cars cant love!
    i'll bet all the horse owners out here disagree
    ....
    that's pretty much the comparison you made with snakes and chimps. i honestly do not see us sharing 98% of our dna with snakes, do you?
  • 08-25-2006, 05:16 PM
    Shaun J
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Ok, how is a snake going to love, when it probably doesn't even recognize you?

    SNAKES CAN'T LOVE. Period.
  • 08-25-2006, 05:28 PM
    shhhli
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bpkid
    Ok, how is a snake going to love, when it probably doesn't even recognize you?

    SNAKES CAN'T LOVE. Period.

    and for those of you that want to question this, seriously, define love and then tell me if snakes fit the catagories. first and fore most would be do they defend their young AFTER they lay eggs, if they are the egg laying type. crocs/alligators do i believe, but do they also feel the need to seek comfort with other members of their species? being companion, offspring, or pack member? alright then.
  • 08-25-2006, 05:42 PM
    Shaun J
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Cased closed, thank you Shhhli. Lol.
  • 08-25-2006, 06:10 PM
    Kilo
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RWillinnable
    So, you are saying that love, whatever that term may mean or whatever you think it means, is incapable of emerging from any lower level functioning area of the brain. Or if you prefer Freudian terms, love can only spring from the Ego. I disagree.

    I think the main problem with this discussion, other than the sophomoric glee people are extracting from their feelings of supposed superiority to others, is that the word love is by far the most overly used word in the English language. Do I think a snake is capable of love like romantic love? Of course not. Do I think a snake is capable of love like the love that The Christ or The Buddha had for the world? Absolutely not. Do I even think that a snake can feel empathy? Again, no. But can a snake feel safe, secure, emboldened, and not threatened by another being living in close proximity to it? Yes, I do. And those feelings are some of the feelings that I ascribe to the word love.

    The idea of love encompasses many things. To extract love of all but its logical and emotional elements is to diminish it.

    Well done. *shakes hand*

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bpkid
    Ok, how is a snake going to love, when it probably doesn't even recognize you?

    SNAKES CAN'T LOVE. Period.

    I thought they could use scent to identify?
  • 08-25-2006, 06:13 PM
    Shaun J
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kilo
    I thought they could use scent to identify?

    Food. They can identify anything warm. They can't just see you and say "hey, its my owner!!!"

    I think people just like to make snakes into people and mammals. They can't get over that they basically have no feelings.
  • 08-25-2006, 06:26 PM
    shhhli
    Re: I think my snake loves me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bpkid
    Cased closed, thank you Shhhli. Lol.

    meow meow
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