Shedded Penises?

Had a weird shed issue with one of my hybrids, so I decided to lend a hand for what I thought was a her......
"She" had a bit of skin still stuck to her tail, an inch forward from the vent to her tippy tail. So I GENTLY started to pull off the skin, and when all of the skin came off, I inspected it, like usual, to make sure the very tip came off too. WELL to my shock...... two reddish-brown spur like things came off with the shed right beside the vent scale on the shed skin :O
I first thought perhaps it was mites or some kind of parasite.... but after inspecting the other twin's last shed, I noticed no reddish-brown spurs near the vent... then I inspected the spurs under bright light and under a magnifying glass, to which I saw no legs and could clearly see that they looked like penises........ which got me thinking, did my "female" just shed it's penises, er, peni? Then I got worried that it's peni got ripped off.......... in which case, I may never be able to breed him, which I fear...... I have been told if all of a snakes' peni got ripped off, it can never breed, not sure it that's true, but I'm worried it could be true....... if they were ripped off, can they grow back and can he still breed? Or is he now rendered retired from breeding? He is young, about to become 2 years old in a few months along with his sister...... so did he actually shed his penis skin? Like puberty? I have no idea....but I figured I'd ask before I worry myself to death.

It should be pretty obvious if what you have is flesh or skin. If it's flesh, let this serve as a lesson why it's best to let snakes deal with stuck shed on their own by giving them tools like a damp towel or moss to rub on if it bothers them. What kind of hybrid is it? That might have some impact.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

It should be pretty obvious if what you have is flesh or skin. If it's flesh, let this serve as a lesson why it's best to let snakes deal with stuck shed on their own by giving them tools like a damp towel or moss to rub on if it bothers them. What kind of hybrid is it? That might have some impact.

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Hard to tell, I kept the shed, and it looks like the spurs shrunk, so I guess it's flesh....... plus it seemed like he got really feisty after I pulled the skin off....... so, guess it is flesh... darn :/
He is a Western Gopher, Louisiana Pine, Texas Rat hybrid. I hope that this isn't gunna make him infertile due to my "helpfulness" -groan-

You ripped a sensitive piece of anatomy off your snake and your reaction is "darn now I can't breed it."

Shouldn't it be "is a vet visit in order?"

Unbelievable...

I won't be crude, but put yourself in your snake's shoes for a minute. Then call a vet.

@ MrLang:
Well jeez! Don't you think I've thought of that?!
I had to make sure it wasn't just shed skin first.............. which is why I came here! No need to get rude or judge me on trying to seek info from what I hope is well-informed and well-educated herpers.
Considering that I've fed him, and he ate without hesitation and kept food down, and he isn't showing any signs of discomfort, I'm not even sure it was flesh. It's highly possible, I'm not denying that...... but he isn't showing any pain or aggitation at all. Since this is a "friendly" site, I'd figured I'd just ask here before rushing to a vet I may not even have to go to, and get a hefty bill for making sure he is ok.

Also. Watch what you judge and who you judge, I may not be an "expert", but at least I can give kind and unjudgemental advice, only if I know what I'm talking about anyways. I may not be as educated in herps, but I don't judge the ignorant or misguided just because I don't think they taking the best care of their herps as I would or others would, I simply give them as sound of adive I can without sounding like a a$$hole or like I'm better than they are. I know when I'm in the wrong about things, and you're probably correct about taking him to a vet, but until I know that this is a SERIOUS, LIFE THREATENING (in case of internal bleeding, which he shows no signs of) OR BREEDING THREATENING issue, I'm not. Like that or not.
(mispelled rude in the heading, also)

You could always re-read what you communicate on the internet to be sensitive to how it will be reasonably perceived.

I'm aware of how I came off. Are you aware of how you came off?

I am glad you are concerned with the health of the animal. I can't agree with your method of determining whether or not a vet visit is in order, but like you said 'like it or not.'

GL. Hopefully someone else will chime in and say it's no big deal.

First off, nobody is going to be able to diagnose what actually happened over the internet, especially not without pictures. Yes snakes do shed the skin of their hemipenes, I've also seen sperm plugs come out with a shed, females also have very shallow pockets in the same area and they can be packed with 'stuff'. I've occasionally seen blood in the vent area after a shed and no lasting harm was done, I personally do not believe that you would be able to rip off the hemipenes that easily, but there are many different things it could possibly be.

Taking a snake to a vet is always a judgement call, many of them are basically dog and cat doctors and have no real knowledge or experience with reptiles so taking a snake to them is pretty much a waste of time and money. There are some VERY good reptile vets out there that have an interest in the animals but it's best to find them before you need them. In any case there is probably little a Vet could do for you now. What I would do if it were my snake would be to clean it's cage very well, set it up on clean white paper so you can see if there is any bleeding going on and observe it to make sure it's acting normally. Chances are good that it will be just fine.

I want to apologize to you MrLang, I, agree that I also came off in a bad way too. I'm sorry if I offended you, also.
Mark, I have him quarantined and checked the paper towels under him, no blood on them or near his vent.... guess he is ok, or she, from the info you have. Odd, and stressful...

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Originally Posted by valhalha30

which got me thinking, did my "female" just shed it's penises, er, peni?

so did he actually shed his penis skin? Like puberty?

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I'd like to address these two things specifically.

1. The plural of penis is definitely penipod.

2. What kind of puberty did you go through...? I'm pretty sure I never lost any skin down there and neither did my snakes lol.

I thought colubrids don't have any spurs to begin with? I thought that was just boas and pythons, mostly boas...?

Forgive me but I dont know anything about colubrids and sexing them but couldnt you just pop him? If his hemipenes are gone I think that would be pretty obvious.

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Originally Posted by Andybill

Forgive me but I dont know anything about colubrids and sexing them but couldnt you just pop him? If his hemipenes are gone I think that would be pretty obvious.

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If he's young enough, you could.

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Originally Posted by Andrew21

If he's young enough, you could.

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Is it dificult to pop a juvie or sub adult colubrid? I have been able to pop my adult BP males but colubrids arent BPs so not sure how different it is...

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I'd like to address these two things specifically.

1. The plural of penis is definitely penipod.

2. What kind of puberty did you go through...? I'm pretty sure I never lost any skin down there and neither did my snakes lol.

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1. Good to know, never knew that.

2. Didn't know if he just did that out of being sexually mature.... female mammals shed their uterus lining, "skin" if you will, usually monthly. So, technically or not so technically, I did lose "skin" down there xD

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Originally Posted by Andybill

Is it dificult to pop a juvie or sub adult colubrid? I have been able to pop my adult BP males but colubrids arent BPs so not sure how different it is...

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I'm no expert, but I've been told that you can only sex a colubrid if it's less than 6 months old
Anyone want to chime in?

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Originally Posted by valhalha30

2. Didn't know if he just did that out of being sexually mature.... female mammals shed their uterus lining, "skin" if you will, usually monthly. So, technically or not so technically, I did lose "skin" down there xD

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Thats mammals, reptiles work differently.

The uterin lining isn't exactly the same as skin. There'd be a lot of problems if it was lmao.

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Originally Posted by Andybill

Is it dificult to pop a juvie or sub adult colubrid? I have been able to pop my adult BP males but colubrids arent BPs so not sure how different it is...

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Yes. I think once they get past a certain length, like 18 inches or whatever, popping then becomes an unreliable method of sexing colubrids. They are stronger when they are older, (obviously) so they can keep their hemepines from popping out. I've honestly only tried to pop my adult male once, and he didn't even open up his vent. I know he is a male though, do to breeding.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Thats mammals, reptiles work differently.

The uterin lining isn't exactly the same as skin. There'd be a lot of problems if it was lmao.

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Oh jeezzzzz! Hahahaha agreed xD

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I'd like to address these two things specifically.

1. The plural of penis is definitely penipod.

2. What kind of puberty did you go through...? I'm pretty sure I never lost any skin down there and neither did my snakes lol.

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Um.. what? Is that even a word? Lol
Isnt the plural penes? Like testis and testes... Although I always say peni lol

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Originally Posted by pookie!

Um.. what? Is that even a word? Lol
Isnt the plural penes? Like testis and testes... Although I always say peni lol

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Nope its penipod. Like a pod of dolphins... or sperm whales.

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Originally Posted by pookie!

Um.. what? Is that even a word? Lol
Isnt the plural penes? Like testis and testes... Although I always say peni lol

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No its not a word. And you're right, plural is "penises" or "penes"...


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Nope. Its penipod. Or your could say "pod of penes" i guess. Like if you're on a safari, "Look at that pod of penes, in there natural state!" Penipod just sounds better imho.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Nope its penipod. Like a pod of dolphins... or sperm whales.

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You are retarded lol that is so not even a word! If it was it would be something like the tiny little polyps that start out coral or something lol

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Nope. Its penipod. Or your could say "pod of penes" i guess. Like if you're on a safari, "Look at that pod of penes, in there natural state!" Penipod just sounds better imho.

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Imo I think penis would flock or herd more than form pods..

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Originally Posted by pookie!

Imo I think penis would flock or herd more than form pods..

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I think they'd gaggle, a gaggle of penises.

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*sigh* :grabbed:

Its penipod. Just say it, it sounds right. It really rolls off the tongue. ;)

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Originally Posted by Coleslaw007

I think they'd gaggle, a gaggle of penises.

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We have gaggles of crack heads at Circle K...

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Its penipod. Just say it, it sounds right. It really rolls off the tongue. ;)

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Im sure thats not the only thing that rolls of your tongue... :cool:

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Originally Posted by pookie!

Im sure thats not the only thing that rolls of your tongue... :cool:

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Well of course not. You sorta need food and water to survive :confused:

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

1. The plural of penis is definitely penipod.

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the plural form of penis is definitely not penipod. penises or penes. i should know. i have three and have discussed this with my physician.

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Originally Posted by creepin

the plural form of penis is definitely not penipod. penises or penes. i should know. i have three and have discussed this with my physician.

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Pics or it didn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Well of course not. You sorta need food and water to survive :confused:

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Well if its rolling off your tongue then how are you even alive because you obviously arent ingesting it...

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Originally Posted by Coleslaw007

Pics or it didn't happen.

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I don't know if I can handle this thread anymore, lmao

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

I don't know if I can handle this thread anymore, lmao

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Originally Posted by Coleslaw007

Pics or it didn't happen.

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dont want another infraction. i've been tryin to stay on the right side of the law.

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Originally Posted by pookie!

Well if its rolling off your tongue then how are you even alive because you obviously arent ingesting it...



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Rolls off my tongue right down the esophagus. Duhhhhhh

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