Lucy question

The first time I saw a BEL which was quite a few years ago I fell in love and have wanted one ever since. Now that I have tge opportunity to breed I would like to make one. I've done some research and found that the cleanest and whitest BEL is the super lesser however im concerned about the bug eye flaw. My question is how prevalent is this flaw in super lessers and do they grow into their bug eyes as adults?

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I too would like to know about this as my future breeding plans involve my norm and two lessers... I really want to make BELs and honestly would be quite content after hitting that goal. Not saying I wouldn't pursue further plans just that that's kind of IT for me teehee. Didn't know about this flaw though :/. Wish I could contribute.

From what ive read its not exactly uncommon but not many people have seen adult BELs with bug eyes which to me means either adults grow into the eyes or its not as prevalent as it seems. Unless that is bug eyes are some how fatal

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Your safest bet for a clean Bel is Mojave x lesser. No grey head like the super Mojave, no bug eyes like the super lesser.

As for prevelence of bug eyes, it seems fairly common, but I don't have any clutch data. I think Jerry had a few bug eyed supers, or maybe he knew someone who did...(his username is snakesrkewl if you wanted to pm him directly)

Here's the lesser Mojave http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/lesser-mojave/

"From what I have been told and seen in my collection, the lesser x lesser and or butter x butter have the eye problem about 50% of the time. "

Found this in a similar thread posted a while back
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-for-400/page3


post #26... this user seems to breed them, or at least have a pretty big collection. Idk how "factual" this is but I tend to subscribe to ppl who offer info based on experience so it may be pretty good info. Like you, I can't find anything that says it decreases the quality of life for the snake. I'll keep looking.

I've seen many bels with bug eyes. never produced a lesser to lesser or butter. not sure if they out grow this, but I've seen decent size ones that still had the bug eye effect.

just get a Mojave and go Mojave X lesser to avoid the problem all together.

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Originally Posted by Jay Mechtly

just get a Mojave and go Mojave X lesser to avoid the problem all together.

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for some it's not the look of the snake as much as what they plan to do with it. breeding wise

I got some lesser x lesser eggs cooking right now, let ya know how it turns out, still a month n a half to go.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

I got some lesser x lesser eggs cooking right now, let ya know how it turns out, still a month n a half to go.

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Same. We have a Butter Spinner / Pastel Champ x Lesser clutch cooking, slated to hatch in September. If we hit Lucy's I can provide some results.