Spider Head Wobble Please Read

I'm interested in the spider mutations head wobble and I'm going to experiment with it to see if I can breed it out and how it happens, how you can "control" it, how you can, what parents make really bad wobble witch ones will make little to no wobble, and every if its possible to get rid of it. So I'd you have any ideas to get the wobble gene out please respond, and I know its probably impossible but its worth a shot its just something that interests me and I want to look into it.

You can't. A parent with the worst possible wobble imaginable (corkscrewing, stargazing, the whole bit) can produce babies that don't appear to have a wobble at all. Or vice versa - snakes that don't seem to wobble can produce babies that fail to thrive due to their wobble and have to be put down. It can't be bred out, unless you breed it out by removing the spider morph. The spider morph and the neurological condition that causes the wobble are linked. You won't have a spider without a wobble (they may not appear to wobble, but they still carry that trait) but you also won't have a snake produced by that spider that wobbles (ie. a normal produced from a normal x spider cross will not wobble).

Morphs similar to the spider, like womas, also wobble.

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Originally Posted by Inarikins

You can't. A parent with the worst possible wobble imaginable (corkscrewing, stargazing, the whole bit) can produce babies that don't appear to have a wobble at all. Or vice versa - snakes that don't seem to wobble can produce babies that fail to thrive due to their wobble and have to be put down. It can't be bred out, unless you breed it out by removing the spider morph. The spider morph and the neurological condition that causes the wobble are linked. You won't have a spider without a wobble (they may not appear to wobble, but they still carry that trait) but you also won't have a snake produced by that spider that wobbles (ie. a normal produced from a normal x spider cross will not wobble).

Morphs similar to the spider, like womas, also wobble.

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I already know this but nobody has really experimented most people are just making more and more spiders to make money and in my post I said its probably impossible so I don't need someone else saying it that has probably never tried and has just read stuff by other people who haven't tried.

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Originally Posted by TylerWaugh

I already know this but nobody has really experimented most people are just making more and more spiders to make money and in my post I said its probably impossible so I don't need someone else saying it that has probably never tried and has just read stuff by other people who haven't tried.

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It's probably impossible...

People have tried. But the fact that spiders that appear not to wobble produce spiders that do wobble and it happens consistently means that it's not something that can be taken out. The wobble and the change in appearance are linked. The wobble may even be caused by the same genes that change the spider's pattern into what it is. It's genetic. Spiders are not a new morph. People have tried and have tried for years. And, really, there's not a lot of money left in plain spiders anymore. You're more than welcome to try to breed the wobble out of spiders, though, and I wish you all the luck in the world. :) Personally, I think it's impossible.

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Originally Posted by TylerWaugh

I already know this but nobody has really experimented most people are just making more and more spiders to make money and in my post I said its probably impossible so I don't need someone else saying it that has probably never tried and has just read stuff by other people who haven't tried.

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You really don't think any of the big breeders haven't tried? :confusd:

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Originally Posted by TylerWaugh

I already know this but nobody has really experimented most people are just making more and more spiders to make money and in my post I said its probably impossible so I don't need someone else saying it that has probably never tried and has just read stuff by other people who haven't tried.

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How do you know that nobodys experimented?
I don't think making a quick buck is how big breeders end up owning 100's-1000's of snakes without having the passion or the drive to experiment...how else would be end up with nutty morphs and find out about things like the Pearl and HGW.

I have caught some youtube vids by some breeders that have said they tried.
If i found out a dude could make non wobblers it wouldn't change anything personally, I don't mind the wobble, i see it like a dog wagging its tail.


Good luck though

It's been tried. Many times over, so far unsuccessfully. If you want to give it a try, I wish you all the best of luck. I've pretty much stopped breeding spiders because of their issues so if someone could figure out how to consistently produce non-spinning spiders I'd really appreciate that.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

It's been tried. Many times over, so far unsuccessfully. If you want to give it a try, I wish you all the best of luck. I've pretty much stopped breeding spiders because of their issues so if someone could figure out how to consistently produce non-spinning spiders I'd really appreciate that.

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Wow really? That bad? I have a spider-ghost project in mind because I adore hypo queen bees.

OP: I also read that some spiders with little or no wobble as babies sometimes grow into having wobbles as adults, or vice versa, they could grow out of it... seems impossible to monitor unless you're willing to keep every spider you'll produce through its life. Some have conditional wobbles... like my bee; I only notice he has a wobble when he's excited, typically when I feed him- he usually misses once or twice before he gets it, or I also notice he takes a while to "focus" on the mouse. He tends to stare it down and let it walk literally right by his nose for about five or more minutes before he finally decides to strike. By contrast, I put a mouse in with my normal, and BOOM, fatality.
Of course, he may get a worse wobble when he's older... but maybe not. We only know with time.


On a slightly different but still relevant note, I read spider x spider babies have 25% fatality rate. Is this true?

Even spiders that have little to no visible wobble can develop wobbles later on in life. And vice versa with animals that have wobbles as hatchlings.
It is part of the spider gene.

No one breeds the train wrecks on purpose to promote wobbles. Those animals are often culled or fail to thrive on their own.


My personal theory: the genes responsible for the formation of the spider dorsal markings of the spider affect the nervous system. Similar to how Rhodesian Ridgeback dogs can have neuro issues due to the ridge on their back. Yay for the spinal column! >_<