Espresso Project... finally proving out?

I guess I should begin with some back-story on this project that we purchased from another breeder who unfortunately had to give up the hobby for personal reasons. The previous breeder bought a dark female and in 2006 she produced a clutch with a pastel male. An odd looking female came out of the egg, which he dubbed the mother an "Espresso".

Original Mom:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...iles/Suzie.jpg


Here's the odd female produced:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...reambaby-2.jpg
With clutchmates:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...andnormals.jpg

Here she is now all grown up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...es/Cream-1.jpg


He was never able to reproduce the combo and even we tried with the same parents. We got the daughter to breed with a Mojave and got 4 so/so eggs that I swear weren't going to go full term which they did! We got 2 Pastaves in the clutch and 2 other surprises...

Espresso male: (Resembles a Cinnamon, only further breeding will tell.)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...soPostShed.jpg

Espresso x Pastel x Mojave - "Pastavo":
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...voPostShed.jpg


Looks like we got more questions to figure out than answers lol.

Thanks for looking!

Matt @ The Brass Gecko

Was the original female a virgin? Could she have been with a pewter?

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Originally Posted by LotsaBalls

Was the original female a virgin? Could she have been with a pewter?

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My exact first thought too... She looks pewter-ish imo

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Originally Posted by LotsaBalls

Was the original female a virgin? Could she have been with a pewter?

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The breeder didn't have a Pewter, or cinnamons. This was the Sire of the clutch:

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/Zephian/Our%20Reptiles/OurPastelMale.jpg[/IMG


The Father was a CB Pastel, the mother was a store bought normal.

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Originally Posted by Matty

The breeder didn't have a Pewter, or cinnamons. This was the Sire of the clutch:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...PastelMale.jpg


The Father was a CB Pastel, the mother was a store bought normal.

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So the same pairing was done with no success in reproducing the pewter looking or a cinnamon looking offspring. How old was the female when she was purchased? FYI I'm not trying to disprove the project, just looking at the simplest answer first.

The original female was purchased in 1997, not sure of the age... younger, not breeding size I assume. The offspring was produced in 2006, I doubt any sperm retention would last 9 years lol.

Whatever it is there is no denying that pastavo is definitely more than a regular pastave. So good luck looking forward to seeing more.

Espresso x Pastel x Mojave - "Pastavo":

is hot :bow::bow::bow::bow:

I absolutely love the look of that 'pastavo', and I'd love to see how he ages. Such a crisp look!

However, I have to say, that pastel sire doesn't look entirely ordinary to me, and neither does the female pastel that produced these. I think there is, at least, a chance that they are both pewters.