Difference between a butter and a lesser?

So what exactly is the difference between a butter and a lesser? What genes are in them? What bred to what would make each? I have seen them lumped together as if they are the same, but maybe just 2 names used?

This is an ongoing debate. I personally feel that they are simply 2 lines of the same morph.

Both sides agree that both have the same mutated allele as they both are part of the BEL complex (if you breed them together you get a Blue Eyed Lucy) they are both base morphs, so they come from the wild and are not produced by combining morphs.

The other side sees butters and lessees the same way that the Mojave and lesser are, 2 seperate morphs that are similar because they both have a mutation of the same allele (but the mutation is different)

They are two separate single co dom genes. They look similar but have subtle differences in the super form and differences and when combined with other genes the combos look different from eachother. They are close to each other but a little different.

Other than the price tag, I personally think they're the same thing, but 2 different lines. IMO, they have the same kind of phenotypic allele. They have the same super form and make almost identical combos. When bred together they make the BEL as well.
Some may say there is a difference, but I think the only difference is due to being from different lines. (like saying Bell vs Lemon vs Graziani pastel).

If you take a pastel butter and a pastel lesser, I believe you wouldn't be able to tell the difference... Or at least I can't.

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Same!!! Exactly the same in my view what you pair with the lesser/butter often results in the Lesser or butter look(dark buttery or light);) Take it from me I've produced many lesser/butters from many different pairing's.

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

This is an ongoing debate. I personally feel that they are simply 2 lines of the same morph.

Both sides agree that both have the same mutated allele as they both are part of the BEL complex (if you breed them together you get a Blue Eyed Lucy) they are both base morphs, so they come from the wild and are not produced by combining morphs.

The other side sees butters and lessees the same way that the Mojave and lesser are, 2 seperate morphs that are similar because they both have a mutation of the same allele (but the mutation is different)

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We will be shooting for some bels in a few years. We have a mojave, and a butter. Checked the genetics wizard on world of bps and saw that we could make bels. Just wasn't sure what the difference was with lessers. I still have a lot to learn about morphs and genes.

Everything I've seen of butters and lessers makes me think they're the same. You can have really high contrast, vibrant, and yellow versions of either, or you can have really muted, creamy toned versions of either. They are not different lines, they are the same in which there are a few lines.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Everything I've seen of butters and lessers makes me think they're the same. You can have really high contrast, vibrant, and yellow versions of either, or you can have really muted, creamy toned versions of either. They are not different lines, they are the same in which there are a few lines.

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x2. Ive seen both types of both morphs. They look the same bc they are the same morph.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

x2. Ive seen both types of both morphs. They look the same bc they are the same morph.

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Yeah, I thought they looked the same too.

To me the difference between a Butter and a Lesser is the exact same as the difference between a NERD Lemon Line Pastel, and a Graziani Line Pastel. both are pastels but look significantly different:

Lemon Pastel:

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...rchant/003.jpg

Graziani Pastel:

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...t/Pastel-7.jpg

I would be willing to argue the point that the difference between lessors and butters is even less than the difference between the Lemon Pastel and the Graziane Pastel, but they are considered the same morph.