pied-spot? without spots?

so i found on kingsnake.com

a 99%white spotnose pied.

i find this INTENCE
no head pattern??? i was under the impression that it doesn't happen?

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/DSCF3782.jpg


if i had 7500 bucks, i would. for now i guess i'll just buy a spot-nose and pied and start from there.

you know.. It is neat looking.. but I kinda DON'T like it.. because it is just.. another white snake (almost)

I gotta have SOME more pattern then that one inch of tail.. LOL

:rofl:

yeah i think its kewl, but not 7500$ kewl.

i love color more than pattern. and a white snake thats not a BEL isn't my cup'o'tea.

nice though.

The white head sometimes seems to happen when a dominant morph with a color- or pattern-reducing tendency mixes with the pied gene. Google panda pied and cinnamon pied. (People don't think of black pastels and cinnamons as pattern- or color-reducing, but the white does go pretty high up their sides. And the supers have a look to them that resembles white-lipped pythons.)

...on the other hand, the mojave gene (aka white gold pied) increases the overall white, but pretty much guarantees a dark head. Go figure, right?

the spied can also have no head pattern.

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Originally Posted by sookieball

:rofl:

yeah i think its kewl, but not 7500$ kewl.

i love color more than pattern. and a white snake thats not a BEL isn't my cup'o'tea.

nice though.

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All white pied and BEL are night and day. The pieds are clean white. I have still not seen any leucy that is as white as a pied. Pieds get a :gj: in my book. ;)

champagne pieds and pewter pieds just have a little circled spot on top of the head. the rest of the head and body is white too.

in normal pieds ure correct- they always have a colored head (at least i never heard of one that doesnt), but as mentioned before, some combos make white heads while others are completly full body colored like the enchi pied or the desert pied.

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Originally Posted by joe23

champagne pieds and pewter pieds just have a little circled spot on top of the head. the rest of the head and body is white too.

in normal pieds ure correct- they always have a colored head (at least i never heard of one that doesnt), but as mentioned before, some combos make white heads while others are completly full body colored like the enchi pied or the desert pied.

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Only one of the three Pewter Pieds has the circle cap on the head. It is also developing a random black speckles here and there.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/181c72a0.jpg
The other two have complete sockheads that go back about 1/2"-1" behind the head.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/9e0f11b9.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/02fbaccf.jpg

My future plans with this project are to breed the Enchi gene into the Pewter Pied to increase the pattern. I'm crossing my fingers in hopes this idea works....my ultimate goal is the Super Pewter Pied.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/06756bde.jpg
......similar to this guy

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Only one of the three Pewter Pieds has the circle cap on the head. It is also developing a random black speckles here and there.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/181c72a0.jpg
The other two have complete sockheads that go back about 1/2"-1" behind the head.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/9e0f11b9.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/02fbaccf.jpg
My future plans with this project are to breed the Enchi gene into the Pewter Pied to increase the pattern. I'm crossing my fingers in hopes this idea works....my ultimate goal is the Super Pewter Pied.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/06756bde.jpg
......similar to this guy

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the first one has a grey head and the next 2 have a normal/cinni colored head can the first one be a pewter pied and the other cinni pieds and that 4th snake is out of this world. all of them look awesome good luck on your future projects cant wait to see the enchi pewter pied.

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Originally Posted by chago11

the first one has a grey head and the next 2 have a normal/cinni colored head can the first one be a pewter pied and the other cinni pieds and that 4th snake is out of this world. all of them look awesome good luck on your future projects cant wait to see the enchi pewter pied.

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No. They are all Pewter Pieds. When compairing the head color to a cinny, they are completely different. Cinny heads are much darker. These also hatched out with silver heads identical to their pewter clutchmates. There was no mistaking. Thanks for the compliments. I can't wait to the see Enchi Pewter Pied either. :gj: