Duckbills, Bug Eyes, and Wobbles

One thing I wonder is about the "deformities" That some morphs tend to have and if it effect quality of life. And which Breeds have these "Defects"


Now spiders I sort of find the wobble kinda adorable. I have heard from alot of people it doesn't hurt there quality of life at all.

Super Cinny's have duckbills. And I think it looks cool and I hope to breed my own super cinny one day but I wonder if it hurts them?


And I can't remember but I hear one pairing produces bug eyes like a Leucistic texas rat.


Personally I have no idea but it's just curiosity. Do some morphs have flaws and do they hurt the animal?

Not speaking against the morphs many of these morphs I love. I'm just curious.

YouTube - Kinked Caramel Albinos

He's also got footage of a morph with one eye, and mentions one without ANY eyes. Idk which videos, though.

See I am not sure I wanna look cause I will Feel bad for the snakes! :P


I was more looking for info especially on super cinny's duckbills and spider morph wobbles. and things not to breed.

In my opinion, as long as the defect doesnt deprive the animal from feeding, drinking, and doing other things necessary to be alive, then there's nothin to worry about. Seen that video about the severely kinked caramel. Though it looks disturbing, I see nothing wrong in keeping one as healthy as that. Well, this is just my opinion. :) Well, breeding an animal w/ a "defect" is another issue.

I may not have used a good word!


I didn't know the right terminology to use! Please forgive no disrespect or flame was meant. :)


Edit: I watched the video and I am really glad he's healthy :)

I read and saw pics on the bug eyes on this site. it's was suppose to happen to super lessers (blue eye lucy) not super butters or super mojaves. and at a rate of around 50%. after reading this I asked one of the local breeders who been in this hobby for a while and has a huge collection of bp's, he knew a breeder who breed for super lessers (many) with no problems.

I think the answer your looking for is this, the bug eye'd lucy and the duck bill cinnys, in no way effect anything. they just look goofy. we call them defects just because their different. imo don't give it 2nd thought

spider woobles, do not effect their quality of life, rumors goes around "i herd from a friend of a friend who knows a breeder that saw one, that couldn't eat because the wooble was soo bad! Don't breed spiders rawwwwr" my point being there hasn't been any proof (that im aware of) that shows a wooble that effects functions needed to live and be healthy. and even if someone post a video of one that cannot function, does that make it bad even if theres 29038493298923 other spider thiving healthy spiders? even some which show close to no signs of wooble at all? And if there is one so bad it can't function, natural selection will take care of it by design.

also about the wooble, we have yet to have any proof that you can breed it out. even if you breed a spider that shows no wooble, the offspring can have a really bad wooble. Kinda like how much white you will get with pieds, you never know how much wooble you will get with spiders. sometimes it doesn't show until later in life, sometimes they outgrow it, sometimes it only during feeding, and some just do it all the time. It will drive you insane trying to figure out how it works lol.

another debate within this subject is people tell me there is no such thing as a no wooble spider.... sorry but I own one. now i cannot speak of her first year of life, since I did not own here then, but since I've owned her, never seen it. mayb she had it earlier in life, I don't know, but she is a no wooble spider now. with that said I know each one of her spider babies has the possiblity of having a bad wooble. I'm not saying she has better genes or something, just she does not wooble, what do you want me to say? she has a wooble but you just can't see it? lol

answer your questions?

Regarding the "wobble" It is definitely a consistent thing with Spiders, but I have also hatched Ghosts, Caramels and even Normals with the head wobble. It doesn't seem to hurt them in any way as these snakes grow and thrive like any other snake.

I have also have a variety of morphs and normals with kinks, but not a single Caramel with a kink. Knock on wood...

Never any bug eys....

I think deformities are inevitable no matter what you breed. Some morphs are definitely more prone to certain defects, some visual, some that go unseen such as poor reproduction in females or poor apetites. I am a firm believer that most if not all can be reduced or eliminated all together with outcrossing and selective breeding.

Oz

Interestingly, I've never seen a duck-billed super cinny. Anyone care to show a pic of one?

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Originally Posted by jopay

In my opinion, as long as the defect doesnt deprive the animal from feeding, drinking, and doing other things necessary to be alive, then there's nothin to worry about. Seen that video about the severely kinked caramel. Though it looks disturbing, I see nothing wrong in keeping one as healthy as that. Well, this is just my opinion. :) Well, breeding an animal w/ a "defect" is another issue.

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I agree 100%.