identifying fires

What do you look for when determining a fire from a normal.
color , eyes , belly , pattern etc.
I have this male that first of all may be a granite but he also has other features. He is much lighter with more yellows than a normal and continues to get lighter, plus he has green eyes.

heres a couple pics of him with a normal. These were the best I could get, he looks lighter in person. I will need to take some shots of him in sunlight then you can see his true colors better. Gotta wait till next summer though.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...7/DSCF1380.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...7/DSCF1382.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...7/DSCF1397.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...7/DSCF1385.jpg

The only way to prove it is breed it to a fire and produce a lucy. Other than that if you got it as a normal it is exactly that a light colored normal.

Color can fool you from time to time -- Belly is the primary marker for a FIRE. :)

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Color can fool you from time to time -- Belly is the primary marker for a FIRE. :)

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so what do you look for on the belly?
Any other things to look for. I would also like to know for when I purchase one, and If I breed one to tell the babies apart.

Belly will be clear with Pied-like markers running down the back half of the animal.

heres a nice xample of a baby fire we produced this year and a adult,
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/dsc02042.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/dsc01374.jpg

In my personal opinion its not a fire but a nice normal sorry!!!!!!!!!

his belly is nearly clear and he does have a slight pied marker. If anything he could be a granite so I will breed him to see if that is genetic. Ill wait till summer next year when he is bigger and take new pics. Like I said he keeps getting lighter so who knows how he will look then. When he was a baby he looked like the other normals just with alot of orange.

Looks like a normal to me, but there is a LOT of variation in fires. however I notice that a lot of them have a star-like mark on their heads and moderate blushing, the yellows are also fairly pronounced in them.

But as I said there is a lot of variation, and I mean A LOT. They arent like lessers or spiders or pieds, they arent completely obvious when you see them, a lot are, many arent.

How about this one.

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/4924Compare.jpg

http://snakemorphs.com/images/F04GPET_med.jpg

http://snakemorphs.com/images/F04GPET_belly_med.jpg

I picked it up in a pet store 5 years ago for one of my hatchlings and $10. I normally sex my baby’s right out of the egg, they are nice and plump and almost pop themselves. Anyway, tried to pop it in the pet store and thought this was a girl for the last five years. Could never seem to get "her" up to good female breeding weight. Been getting close so put my mojave male in its cage last night while cleaning and all heck breaks loose. They spill the water in no time and are thumping against the sides of the tub. So I start to wonder if I got it wrong. Tried but didn't want to push hard enough to pop an adult so put it in with a proven female. This morning they are locked up. If I had known his opinion that he's male I could have breed him 4 years ago!
He isn’t as pretty as the one adult fire I’ve seen but still stands out as not normal. What is he?

I'm usually pretty good at identifying fires.. or at least I think I am.

Neither the OP nor randy's look like fires to me, both look like normals.

There IS a ton of variation in normals.