I Approve of Most of H.R. 669

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Originally Posted by Tyler_Royality

I never said I didnt sent out an email letter! never did I say this.. I voiced my opinion on this bill and how it will NOT pass.

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Why would any reasonable person be expected to believe that someone who goes on a public forum and posts that HR699 will not pass is actually taking the time behind the scenes to send out correspondence to their representative in congress? People only know what you tell them ... you didn't say "HR669 will not pass, but even though I believe that I still sent an email to support the effort against it" ... you said "this bill and most others will never pass" and "I see nothing to worry about".

No one called you a bad guy ... but it is my opinion that it's certainly less than responsible to post authoritatively on a public forum that HR669 will never pass and make no mention that even though you believe that you still emailed your representative. Many people read internet message boards and form opinions based on what is posted. If even one person read your post stating that it is your belief that HR669 will never pass and decided not to send an email because of it, your email was sent in vain.

These bills are now a reality of this hobby/business ... if not HR669, then the next one, or the one after that ... they will not stop ... ever ... all it will take is one time ... one time for each of us as individuals to be lazy, or complacent, or numb ... and we will ALL lose.

If everyone sent an email ... each and every time these things come up ... and after sending that email, they each got a friend to also send an email ... and instead of sitting back and saying that it will NEVER pass, those people stood up and said "it doesn't have a snow balls chance in hell of passing, but lets turn up the heat just to send a message", do you know what we would be? ... UNITED, STRONG, a real COMMUNITY of liked minded people keeping and breeding the animals that we love. Wouldn't that be better than just sitting back and saying that it will never happen?

Just my $.02 for whatever it's worth.

-adam

so what the hell was the point of this?? tell me i didnt just read through all that for nothing...its way past 9pm

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Originally Posted by Dizzlen07

A know alot may get upset about this post but I'm posting anyway. I am doing my part to help in the stance of it not passing.

But anyway, if this bill does pass. What the reptile community should do is release your reptile into the wild. If they want to screw us then screw them. We will make our reptiles Native in the United States.

If we don't release them into the wild, what are the the people with 20, 60, 100, 1000 and 5000 reptiles suppose to do with them. If they take away the hobby, how will we feed these animals without the income. Let me guess there going to want us to kill them all. Release them and let them try to thrive in the wild.

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I sincerely hope that you don't write to these people sharing your "brilliant" idea! :O

This basis that started this thread is gonna make me puke...I won't even mention the bill.

More government intrusion? Good God. It's grown so huge and unwiedly it can barely function effeciently as it is. "We're from the government and we're here to help." What a *bleeping* joke.

"You common people from the great 'un-washed' masses can't handle your banking correctly? Don't worry - we'll take it over. You common people from the great 'un-washed' masses can't handle your auto industry effectively? Don't worry - we'll take it over. You common people from the great 'un-washed' masses can't handle your pets correctly? Don't worry - we'll take it over."

The problem is, with the present administration I would definately look forward to being socialized and regulated to death with more "feel good" bills like this coming down the road by the truckload.

I WILL be contacting everyone on the list Tuesday and inform them to stop doing illegal narcotics behind closed door sessions and at high dollar luncheons and get real. This bill is not what anybody needs. It's rubbish. But seeing how Mrs. Napolitano is one of it's suppporters, it comes as no suprise.

Our founding fathers are no doubt rolling in their graves. We have had our rights intruded upon and trampled so often it's bills like this make Gilligan's Island look better and better.

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Originally Posted by mrmertz

I WILL be contacting everyone on the list Tuesday and inform them to stop doing illegal narcotics behind closed door sessions and at high dollar luncheons and get real. This bill is not what anybody needs. It's rubbish. But seeing how Mrs. Napolitano is one of it's suppporters, it comes as no suprise.

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Both Pijac and USARK have implored that people be RESPECTFUL when contacting these folks. State how it will impact you personally and how you feel it will impact the pet industry, but don't put them on the defensive by throwing insults at them.

They DO need to hear from each and every one of us - to know that we're out here and that we DO care about the outcome of this bill - but we need to do so without anger, rage and insults.

In a few days, there will be a link on Pijac's page that will allow you to click, add your name, and it will send out a form letter to all the members on that list. We need everyone who cares about the outcome of this bill to take five minutes out of their day to fill out the short form and hit send.

As I stated in my initial reply - there will be more details and information to be shared here when it's available.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Both Pijac and USARK have implored that people be RESPECTFUL when contacting these folks. State how it will impact you personally and how you feel it will impact the pet industry, but don't put them on the defensive by throwing insults at them.

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Naw rabernet, that was sarcasm. I know these people are elitist and must be handled differently than a 'regular Joe' who would suggest the same.

But I'm not being sarcastic when it doesn't suprise me that Napolitano is backing it.

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Originally Posted by Richard

...most rats we feeding to snakes is the common Brown Rat which is a native species to all of North America.

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Huh?

I saw responses saying how the brown rat is not indigenous to the US but I guess my response would be...

"...most rats I feeding to snakes is the common White Rat which is not native to the sewers of North America."

Either way, HR669 bites.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Why would any reasonable person be expected to believe that someone who goes on a public forum and posts that HR699 will not pass is actually taking the time behind the scenes to send out correspondence to their representative in congress? People only know what you tell them ... you didn't say "HR669 will not pass, but even though I believe that I still sent an email to support the effort against it" ... you said "this bill and most others will never pass" and "I see nothing to worry about".

-adam

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I understand you on this. And yea its my fault, and have nothing to feel disappointed about, After re-reading what I posted I didnt make it sound at all like I sent letters. my bad, sorry for any misinterprets

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I sincerely hope that you don't write to these people sharing your "brilliant" idea! :O

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Please, read all of my post. First off in what you quoted of me, I did say I already did my part of trying to help this thing not pass. Then, if you read later post, I said it was a stupid comment and I appologize. And I would NEVER give this "brilliant" idea to them.

Releasing your pets is inhumane. Why would you let them starve, or die of RI, or be mauled to death by a cat or dog, rather than euthanizing them humanely yourself?
That sort of thinking is just why people dump a dog in the desert rather than take them to a shelter. If the pet dies horribly and slowly and in pain.. well they don't see it happening, so they will be happy. Fido is running in the wild meeting chipmunks and happy bunnies. The reality is way different.
I know you said "Hey it's a bad idea, sorry", but everyone seemed to be concentrating on why it's bad for the environment, and not why it's also a horribly bad idea for the pet.
I would rather have my pets humanely euthanized than to let them go, or to let the government take them to euthanize them. But the government isn't going to take your pets, they'll just make sure you can't do anything but keep what you have, and add no more, and not get rid of any in any way. As all the reptile pets die off, then there will be no more to replace them, and eventually all will be gone.

I don't think anyone should be panicing and rushing around selling off collections and euthanizing their pets. But I do think we should all be very serious about fighting this so it DOESN'T come to that. If we don't do anything at all, then we have NO reason to whine when our rights are taken away.