Colony Collapse - Food Tainted

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Originally Posted by lord jackel

I think what PMI is and has been saying is that Muzuri is safe and well tested which wasn't really in question in the first place.

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Well I'll start feeding my 6f again and see what happens

Guys I think the original purpose of this thread has gotten lost somewhere. If I have contributed to this fact in any way I am sorry.
It was neither Sean's nor my intention to have people writing PMI asking questions or starting a panic of any kind. We were merely pointing out that Sean had issues with food and I also was having rats die in large numbers inexplicably while feeding a food that was related to the the food Sean was using, and that people should be cautious and watch their rats for any unusual or unexplained deaths and if you start seeing them die in large number look to the food as a reason.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Guys I think the original purpose of this thread has gotten lost somewhere. If I have contributed to this fact in any way I am sorry.
It was neither Sean's nor my intention to have people writing PMI asking questions or starting a panic of any kind. We were merely pointing out that Sean had issues with food and I also was having rats die in large numbers inexplicably while feeding a food that was related to the the food Sean was using, and that people should be cautious and watch their rats for any unusual or unexplained deaths and if you start seeing them die in large number look to the food as a reason.

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I agree Ed 100%. Dr. Owens had it right...It is one thing to be cautious and watch for potential problems because a couple people have issue (Ed and I - and my only goal in posting my story originally) It is quite different to start making connections (where they don't really exist - as I said several times I DO NOT FEED MUZURI) that lead to people contacting a manufacturer claiming their product is bad (which isn't said anywhere in this thread).

I for one think it is time for this thread to die.

I guess I still don't see how it's over reacting to contact a manufacturer to make sure your feed is ok. I posted my responses to help ease other people's minds as I have received good confirmation that Mazuri is A-OK. :)

How else should we have acted? Waiting for them to tell us it's okay without us taking any action to get the answer? We needed answers, and we got them. Simple ;)

As a matter of fact, I think they handled this really well.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

I guess I still don't see how it's over reacting to contact a manufacturer to make sure your feed is ok. I posted my responses to help ease other people's minds as I have received good confirmation that Mazuri is A-OK. :)

How else should we have acted? Waiting for them to tell us it's okay without us taking any action to get the answer? We needed answers, and we got them. Simple ;)

As a matter of fact, I think they handled this really well.

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My apologies as we didn't explain it well enough. If you follow this thread closely it appears that some are "jumping to conclusions" that Muzuri is tainted...and as such they contacted PMI stating this. The concern is that Ed and I (the only ones who had any problems) don't feed Muzuri, and Ed came back very quickly and said it didn't look like feed was his issue at all. I agree with you that it isn't over-reacting to contact a manufacture to make sure their food is safe...but some are contacting them about a food that isn't in question. As Dr. Owens reminded everyone PMI makes tons of brands and foods so to go from my custom food to "Muzuri is tainted" is a long stretch...and one that Ed and I wanted to suggest backing off of.

We suggested caution and to watch your rats...not start contacting a 3rd party when you don't have any issues (PS...I am not saying this directly to you Connie just the thread posters in general).

I just didn't want to start a panic though that is what it appears I have done so I apologize , but rather tell what happened to me so everyone would know "IF" they had unexplained deaths pop up.

Hope this is a little clearer

Don't beat yourselves up, I don't think it caused a panic. I think maybe 4 other posters were concerned enough to post on this thread as well.

Over all, I think it's panned out well enough (even with the little back and forth banter that took up a few pages)

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

As a matter of fact, I think they handled this really well.

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I agree!

I just received a call from a representative of Purina/Mazuri thanking me for my inquiry and inviting me to call them personally if I ever have any questions or concerns involving their product.

I am VERY impressed with the way they addressed my concerns.

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Originally Posted by Louis Kirkland

I agree!

I just received a call from a representative of Purina/Mazuri thanking me for my inquiry and inviting me to call them personally if I ever have any questions or concerns involving their product.

I am VERY impressed with the way they addressed my concerns.

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So did I, unfortunately I'm at work and couldn't take the call. But again, it shows something that they called directly to address our personal concerns.

You guys shouldn't be sorry, you shared meaningful information. To simply stop feeding a certain brand and ask the company some questions is hardly a panic. Purina looks like they handled very well, along with similar responses from two different representatives.

To have someones whole collection being wiped out is a pretty serious inccident and you guys shouldn't feel bad for sharing that info. You can never be too cautious sometimes.:gj:

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Originally Posted by lord jackel

This is simply a technicality. Wheat gluten is a grain product to say they don't import is misleading. This would be like someone saying Tropicanna isn't real Orange Juice cause they use juice concentrate.

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No...it's not a "technicality." It has been said several times that Purina imported "tainted grains." The implication being that if they did it once, then they could do it again. However, the simple fact is that they didn't import "tainted grains." What happened is they bought (through a supplier) a processed food product (wheat gluten) from a company whose production facility is in China.

To compare wheat gluten to orange juice concentrate simply illustrates that you don't understand what wheat gluten is. Wheat gluten is a manufactured food product that is derived from wheat, much like tofu is derived from soy beans. The melamine that was in the wheat gluten was introduced during the manufacturing process as a filler, and as a means by which to artificially (falsely) elevate the protein level in the product (melamine is very high in nitrogen)...this was an underhanded attempt by the Chinese company to lower their production costs (i.e. more protein, and more volume for less production expense.)

The purpose of wheat gluten in canned dog food is to act as a high protein filler and texturizing agent that is cheaper than animal by-product (i.e. it lowers production costs).

So, the bottom line is this...Purina did not, in either situation, "import tainted grains."

Once again, I do not work for Purina, nor do I have any sort of affiliation with them. I simply hate to see disinformation, and ASSumptions being passed off as fact. It is a pet peeve.