Is it ok if my bp eats a live mouse, live?

Do you realize what bad image people owning snakes are suffering from?
Do you really think that with comments such as this

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To tell you guys the truth, to me, I don't care about the mouse's feelings when it's getting eaten, it's a mouse, it was going to die any way. I started hitting a mouse with a book to "stunn" it so it wouldn't bite my snake. Too bad for the mouse is all I can say.

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people, will have a better image of snake owners?

Owning a snake requires a good comprehension of the prey/ predator dynamic and requires respecting the prey whether you like it or not.

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Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons

Do you realize what bad image people owning snakes are suffering from?
Do you really think that with comments such as this
people, will have a better image of snake owners?

Owning a snake requires a good comprehension of the prey/ predator dynamic and requires respecting the prey whether you like it or not.

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I'm sorry that I'm not as passionate about rodents as some of you guys... that's just what I think. If I wouldn't have snakes I would have never touched any mice/rats. They are disgusting to me and that's all I have to say...

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Originally Posted by BallPythonsRule

I'm sorry that I'm not as passionate about rodents as some of you guys... that's just what I think. If I wouldn't have snakes I would have never touched any mice/rats. They are disgusting to me and that's all I have to say...

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Sorry, but I have to jump in here.... Doesn't that attitude parallell some people's hatred of snakes? Personally, I attempt to respect all animals whether I like them or not.

We tried humane traps for our pantry mice, but discovered that they just came running back in the house. We only went to inhumane methods once I couldn't stand the 3 a.m. gnawing that kept me awake. It's too bad we can't give "wild" mice to our BP. Then two problems would be solved.

FrankyKeno, thanks for all the references, etc. Great post!

O and I also wanted to add that those glue traps..do not cause dehydration.

What happens is the mouse tries to get on it to eat it cause it smells sweet and they become stuck...they try to push off with every body part and eventually their faces get stuck on them and they suffocate.

They are not really humane...they just don't leave a mess, they are small and fit under things like your fridge or stove and are easier to manage than a conventional mouse trap.

just sayin'

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Originally Posted by MelissaFlipski

Sorry, but I have to jump in here.... Doesn't that attitude parallell some people's hatred of snakes? Personally, I attempt to respect all animals whether I like them or not.

We tried humane traps for our pantry mice, but discovered that they just came running back in the house. We only went to inhumane methods once I couldn't stand the 3 a.m. gnawing that kept me awake. It's too bad we can't give "wild" mice to our BP. Then two problems would be solved.

FrankyKeno, thanks for all the references, etc. Great post!

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I guess it does... but I don't go into the woods (or outside my house) to find a mouse and kill it... I wouldn't do that to any animal.
I just hate rodents... not a phobia, I just can't stand them.. just like some people hate spiders or bugs.

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Originally Posted by BallPythonsRule

I'm sorry that I'm not as passionate about rodents as some of you guys... that's just what I think. If I wouldn't have snakes I would have never touched any mice/rats. They are disgusting to me and that's all I have to say...

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Did I talk about my passion for rodents in any of my post? :confuzd: .

All I talked about was your actions and statements that can only add to the bad image some have of snake owners.

Also for the record I am not passionate about rat and mice, I see them as food and not pets however this is not incompatible with having respect for them.

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Originally Posted by BallPythonsRule

It seems like you're getting very "PETA" on me...

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You obviously don't know much about PETA then... Any member of the PETA cult will gladly call me an evil, sadistic SOB because I feed live prey to my snake. Because apparently feeding live prey to a snake is "unnatural". :confuzd:

http://blog.peta.org/archives/bunny/

Aw, I peeled a mouse off of a glue trap once, and set it loose in a wooded area. (Not the easiest thing to do without injuring the mouse, btw). It was stuck by its butt. Its nose likely wouldn't have ever reached the glue.

I'm sure there are people who try to hit a rodent to kill it, and flinch--perhaps they're afraid of making a mess if they hit it too hard.
But really, if you hit a mouse with anything, including a book, hard enough, then it will be dead instantly without pain. It really is NOT difficult to apply sufficient force to do that. Yes, I am confident that I will kill the mouse 100% of the time. There might be a few overkill cases, but no underkill ones.
The snakes don't generally mind if their meal is a little flatter than usual.
Gruesome, but effective, and not at all inhumane.

And I still advocate and use stunning as part of the process of converting a stubbon snake over to eating f/t food. If it is marginally less humane than feeding live (due to the possibility of the animal waking--it isn't inhumane if the rodent doesn't wake up), then at least it's being done in the cause of reducing future inhumane killings of rodents by the snake itself. Not a black and white ethical issue. :)

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Originally Posted by Gooseman

You obviously don't know much about PETA then... Any member of the PETA cult will gladly call me an evil, sadistic SOB because I feed live prey to my snake. Because apparently feeding live prey to a snake is "unnatural". :confuzd:

http://blog.peta.org/archives/bunny/

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I know alot about PETA, It's just some of the statements were PETA-ish, with the attitude of some of the PETA members..

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Aw, I peeled a mouse off of a glue trap once, and set it loose in a wooded area. (Not the easiest thing to do without injuring the mouse, btw). It was stuck by its butt. Its nose likely wouldn't have ever reached the glue.

I'm sure there are people who try to hit a rodent to kill it, and flinch--perhaps they're afraid of making a mess if they hit it too hard.
But really, if you hit a mouse with anything, including a book, hard enough, then it will be dead instantly without pain. It really is NOT difficult to apply sufficient force to do that. Yes, I am confident that I will kill the mouse 100% of the time. There might be a few overkill cases, but no underkill ones.
The snakes don't generally mind if their meal is a little flatter than usual.
Gruesome, but effective, and not at all inhumane.

And I still advocate and use stunning as part of the process of converting a stubbon snake over to eating f/t food. If it is marginally less humane than feeding live (due to the possibility of the animal waking--it isn't inhumane if the rodent doesn't wake up), then at least it's being done in the cause of reducing future inhumane killings of rodents by the snake itself. Not a black and white ethical issue. :)

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Good post... :)

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