Does anyone not like morphs.....

I am interested to see how things will be down the road with regards to morph breeding. People will definately be out for quality morphs as opposed to just having a low-quality one; entry-level hobbyists will be around to buy the lower-priced ones (like browning-out Pastels for example.)

I love morphs :carrot:

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Originally Posted by Shadowspider

Actually, it would be your argument that loses strength. To say that dogs are "domesticated" and snakes are "wild" is, indeed, correct, it is also incorrect as well. *Both* are "wild* because *both* are "instinctual" animals. A dog, left to its own devices will do what it would instinctively do, hunt, dig, chase, bite, growl, fight, etc. as will a snake. Can a snake be "domesticated" in the same fashion as a dog, of course not, they are two entirely different creatures with different brains but instinct is instinct and, at the risk of probably getting into semantics, dogs are only as "domesticated", IE "tame" as we, their handlers, teach them to be. The same holds true with snakes, just to a lesser degree.

I want another mastiff as well as a doberman but I *won't* get them from BYBs and thus, each will cost me an average of $2000 to $3000 to acquire one from a reputable breeder. Is that too much? Not in my opinion because, like snake morphs, I'm paying for "quality" not "quantity".

Heck, I would LOVE to have a spider but I don't have the $$$ to realistically spend on one right now and I might never opt to set the money aside to get one (don't tell Aleesha that, she'll come down here and kick my butt :D), but it's the point. If you want Gucci, you're going to pay for it, if you want Wal-Mart, you're still going to pay for it. They're both hand bags; the difference is quality in creation, quantity created (assembly line vs. hand crafted) as well as design, thus, the price goes up.

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Actually brad has a pretty valid point. Snakes and dogs are NOT on a level playing field when it comes to domestication. To domesticate means to make dependable or trainable. For all intents and purposes, cats have NEVER been domesticated in their thousands of years of living side-by-side with humans. Have you ever heard of a truly "trained" cat? Other than, here's the litter box? Even modern house cats have the ability to leave their owners home and under most circumstances, survive on it's own (until animal control gets involved). You release a family dog, and that dog will likely try to find human companionship somewhere, because humans = food. Not to mention, humans have used/trained dogs for thousands of years for specific purposes.


The likelihood of a snake ever appreciating it's owner is slim to none.

I don't believe I ever mentioned domestication in my first post. I was simply trying to make a point that humans are engineering BPs the same way they have engineered dogs and cats down through the ages... they breed for color, size, temperament, etc.


People breed for something that is pleasing to them, something that they will be proud to have in their home. Someday, I believe the most pleasing morphs will be very commonplace in people's homes.

But, should they become common place, I don't expect their prices will go down to the price of a normal. Again, you wouldn't pay $30 for a pure bred German Shepard. (dogs are just used as a reference... perhaps a bad comparison, but not meant to be focused on).

I think one thing that is missing is that many breeders invest large amounts of $ in certain morphs. This is not extra disposable income in most cases. if you were opening a restaurant or me i'm a contractor you would invest tens of thousands of $ to get your business off the ground. Then you would need to make some kind of profit to survive and payback loans many new business owners take out to get started.
Now take BP morphs for example, some breeders I know spent $15,000 investing in a lesser now the price has dropped to $1,200 more or less. This is not someone who is making a killing here but just trying to recoup his investment in a market like all markets that is based on supply and demand. Of course there are going to be seedy people that don't give a crap about animals just $, but many are people that have a great passion for these animals and have decided to invest in their passion. i am not going to name good and bad breeders because their reputations proceed them. But lumping them all into $ hungry make a buck rip off artists is not true.

If someone doesn't understand how businesses are run then i reccomend they don't start one. What upsets me is I hear people knock business owners like myself everyday for their pricing when they have no idea what it costs in insurance, payroll taxes, office rent, materials, buying equipment, maintaining equipment, gas, heat, trying to get paid etc.. everyday! just to keep the doors open. If you look just at the price of the product itself it's like looking at an iceberg, most of it is underwater you only see the tip of the iceberg. Prices come from many variables not just what you want them to come from.


If you think morphs are expensive now you should have seen them 3-5 years ago.

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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle

Of course there are going to be seedy people that don't give a crap about animals just $, but many are people that have a great passion for these animals and have decided to invest in their passion [...] lumping them all into $ hungry make a buck rip off artists is not true.

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And that's what it's all about, right there.

Absolutely agreed, Raul.