Did I end up getting a female pastel from the tampa show?

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Originally Posted by TheAudOne

Adam invites everyone over

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You're the only one I'm actually serious about. :love: ;) :P

-adam

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I keep my snakes in a very sterile environment ... unprinted paper, plastic tubs, etc ... nothing is "wild" about my husbandry ... but, I do strongly believe that in order to maximise your success with these animals, you do have to understand "how" they tick ... just like I wouldn't pull a green tree python off of a perch to try and feed it, I would NEVER remove my ball pythons hide in order to feed it.

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...best analogy I've ever heard to illustrate the point. Dammit I didn't come up with that first...

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

You're the only one I'm actually serious about. :love: ;) :P

-adam

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Oh shut up....you and I both would clam up and freak out if we met in person.

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Originally Posted by TheAudOne

Oh shut up....you and I both would clam up and freak out if we met in person.

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HA...not Adam! :rofl:

oh great, then he's a liar! He said last night on here that he to was also all talk. I imagine going to meet him expecting this shy person, and then getting the shock of my life lol.

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Originally Posted by JLC

HA...not Adam! :rofl:

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:P

-adam

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

That statement was NOT made in reference to balls in the wild, and was certainly not out of context in any way. This is one of the few instances where characteristics developed in the wild actually DO apply in captivity, contrary to what you are stating above. Ball pythons are ambush predators, thermoregulate, and sense weather patterns in the wild and in captivity, thats just what they do.

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I am quite aware of all of these characteristics thank you. I can see where your coming from in the one thing the snake is not technically not performing...the ambush. Still the actions I have seen when feeding in a seperate tub could be considered an ambush if your definition is that of performing an action with the element of suprise. No there is no hide involved or water dish if you consider those as requirements for an ambush feeding.

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In no way does placing a rodent inside a ball python's enclosure cause MORE stress than removing the snake, putting them in unfamiliar surroundings, with nothing but it and a rodent running around left and right? What are you basing that on? Moreover, I assure you, opening and closing the tub doesn't affect either the rodent or the snake. If you had any experience with what you are trying to argue, you'd know that.

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You where simply not reading me right here...I was saying that I will take into consideration that feeding a BP OUT of its normal tub/enclosure could cause more stress. I did NOT state that placing a rodent in a BP's regular enclosure causes MORE stress nor did I write that. As to causing stress by opening and closing tubs...well even with the BP's I feed pre-killed to if I simply place the rodent in the tub and open it BEFORE the strike it almost always guarantees to distract the snakes attention from the food. I only assume that causes at least some stress since "feeding mode" has started. I also resent your naive attempt at putting me down and stating that I have no experience with what I am trying to argue. You are wrong on both accounts...I am not arguing if you are feeling hostility it is your own. I am simply stating things I have seen and *experienced*. I think it humorous that you think I'm "arguing" things I am making up...please I have better things to do with my time.

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Sure, if they aren't hungry. If they are, they usually hit the rodent the first chance they get. Any responsible live feeder (the person) checks on things frequently and can "read" their animals as far as whether or not they are hungry. If they remain coiled in their hide, showing no interest in feeding, the rat is removed. You have to get to know your animals a little bit and interpret their behavior.

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I couldn't agree more with everything here. I do have one female who is almost always slow to come out of her hide when I place her pre killed food item in her tub...to some this may read as "I'm not interested" but she has yet to suprise me and not end up coming out to feed.

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Respectfully,
Brad

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Please if your going to reply to me again with a negative remark or put down, don't sign "respectfully" as it really takes the meaning out of it.

I also want to reiterate that I am NOT arguing a single thing nor have I said that what anyone else has stated was wrong. No I may not have gobs of ball pythons but I have more than one and it is perfectly accurate to say that yes I would observe things differently if I had more...but I don't, as well as I'm sure the views of many others here are from the point of small collections or even a single animal.

Adam, will you make good on your offer :) :P

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Originally Posted by TekWarren

Adam, will you make good on your offer :) :P

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Of course I will ... I'm very passionate about my views and how I do things, but I'm also mature enough and intelligent enough to know that my ways aren't the "only" ways ... I can very much disagree with how a fellow herper/breeder/hobbyist feeds their animals, houses them, or even runs their business and at the same time share the experience of enjoying being around awesome animals and putting a few beers (soda, water, whatever) back ... my only criteria is that they are good people ... It's never ever personal with me and my word is always good ... you're welcome anytime.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I don't care so much about that ... what works for one, might not work for others ... as long as the snake is eating ... BFD (that's big, deal, and something else for the slow ones).

There are just so many BS myths in this hobby that get circulated and re-circulated by people that don't even have the experience to know if what they're talking about is even true ... that's what I will stand up on my soap box over ... not the way someone chooses to care for their animal if it's working for them.

-adam

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Hallllla-looya brother Adam!!
(sorry; I just completely agree.)

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Originally Posted by Rapture

If your male was probed as a male, and then probed as a female, and then guessed to be a male again... if it really is a female, wouldn't it be horribly ripped inside by now?

Also, I feed both in the snakes' enclosures and out. I usually like to clean enclosures on the same day I feed (unless they made a big mess in there before feeding day), so I introduce live prey into their enclosure, wait for the snake to strike and constrict, and then move them to another area so I can clean their enclosure while they are eating. When they are finished, I put them back in their clean enclosure. Any thoughts on this?

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You know what I think? If this is working for you, and your snakes are consistently eating, I see nothing wrong.