Beginings of a new morph.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

ok so i took advantage of the nice weather today and snapped some new photos.

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Killer looking babies...

Much better pics, thanks for sharing. :gj:

Beautiful snakes. Big congrats on finding a blackback pastel on Craigslist of all places. Especially if it was being sold as a normal. :gj:

They are adorable babies and I do like the looks of the father. Speaking from experience, so I hope you don't get offended, I'd put money on the fact that the father is a pastel and the lighter babies are pastels. That isn't a bad thing at all. You did stumble on a genetic black back pastel. Every one of the pastel babies looks to have inherited that gene. Genetic black backs will not always produce a continuous black back pattern in every baby it passes the gene on to but it should always be obvious which ones possess the gene.

There are a couple genetic black backs which were proven to be a separate co-dom morph and produce pretty cool super forms. Like the black velvet which produces the white lace in its super form. If I were you, I'd hold back a female and breed back to the father in 2 years to see if you have one of these morphs. A regular genetic black back doesn't have a super form.

Those babies will loose the yellow and pink coloration with each shed but the blushing should remain prominent everywhere except the head due to the fathers influence.







Snakes, Jeeps, Dragons, Nature, & Knives.. Makes my world go-round!

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

Beautiful snakes. Big congrats on finding a blackback pastel on Craigslist of all places. Especially if it was being sold as a normal. :gj:

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Ditto, I saw this ad on kingsnake today and thought of this thread, look familiar?

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=923037

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Originally Posted by bubblz

Ditto, I saw this ad on kingsnake today and thought of this thread, look familiar?

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=923037

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interesting, definitely worth perusing the possibility.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

They are adorable babies and I do like the looks of the father. Speaking from experience, so I hope you don't get offended, I'd put money on the fact that the father is a pastel and the lighter babies are pastels. That isn't a bad thing at all. You did stumble on a genetic black back pastel. Every one of the pastel babies looks to have inherited that gene. Genetic black backs will not always produce a continuous black back pattern in every baby it passes the gene on to but it should always be obvious which ones possess the gene.

There are a couple genetic black backs which were proven to be a separate co-dom morph and produce pretty cool super forms. Like the black velvet which produces the white lace in its super form. If I were you, I'd hold back a female and breed back to the father in 2 years to see if you have one of these morphs. A regular genetic black back doesn't have a super form.

Those babies will loose the yellow and pink coloration with each shed but the blushing should remain prominent everywhere except the head due to the fathers influence.







Snakes, Jeeps, Dragons, Nature, & Knives.. Makes my world go-round!

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when we got him we had an idea of what he might be, but then again we weren't 100%. still aren't actually, but there are some avenues still to explore and yes future breeding is in order. its possible that the sire is a super form, might be het g-stripe. the normal offspring has some odd belly tracks u never know.. fortunately all the offspring appear to be female when sexed. going to pair him with a spider this season to see =).

thanks for the constructive advise.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

p.s.and if it wasn't for ignorant people like yourself i wouldn't have issues on this board.

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Dude, if you think you're not getting a fair shake on this Forum and are being picked on, I sincerely invite you to join the Bush League Breeders Club and re-post this thread over there.

If you think you're having issues on this board, try your attitude over there. They will drop 57 pounds of crap in your 3 pound "new morph" bag in about 5 seconds. But, let me know before you go over. I want to watch the fun :gj:

But don't worry, when they crush your googlies over there, in a much less famliy friendly manner than you've found on BP.net, you can always come back to the fold.

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Originally Posted by bubblz

Ditto, I saw this ad on kingsnake today and thought of this thread, look familiar?

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=923037

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Good sleuthing Sherlock! I would say that you may be on to something there. That raises another question for me tho. Does that mean another "het" have a marker? A black back could be het genetic stripe? I love these questions. It's what keeps the whole hobby so interesting.


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I don't think the fact that it's a het has anything to do with it. I just saw the post earlier today and thought of this thread. Because it's practically identical to the Ops male. Which points to what most people have already said (nicely or not) black back pastel. Genetic or not breed him again to another female to squash any doubt or questions.