Kalatoa 100% Pure SD Retic Progression (Pic heavy...)

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I'm thinking that if I install everything securely it should be fine. Reinz says one of his carpets is 13.5lbs and the sky hide hold up just fine with 4 mounts in the back and 3 on each side. Phyllis is close to 8lbs so I don't think it will be an issue. I may give Gerald a sky hide in Phyllis's T8, even though it's pretty short I feel like he'd make good use of it.


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I'm sure he would. To a snake it doesnt seem that the height really matters as long as they feel like they are off the ground. Heck my gals seems happy when perched on top of their hides. It's only like 3" high but to them i guess it feels they are up in the air/ Same with the shelves.

And wow, those things hold a 13.5 lb carpet? Those are pretty strong clips lol. Rosey weighs 13.7 lbs. One of these days I'll weigh Caesar.

Currently setting up the cage. It's assembled and sealed but the shelf totally blocks all light from the led strip... gonna have to mount a longer piece around the perimeter and seal it in place with the lexel sealant... pics in a bit hopefully.


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Aaaaaaaaand I quit for today because I have to teach for ten hours tomorrow starting at 8am, just spent and hour lexel sealing a strip of LEDs around the perimeter of the cage, only to plug them in and find out that at some point during that installation the light strip got a short in it somewhere... just Goo Gone cleaned all the lexel off, have to order a new strip of lights... oh my god I'm done for the day. Oh and they put my heat panel on the wrong side of the cage that i requested too. I cannot win today


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Aaaaaaaaand I quit for today because I have to teach for ten hours tomorrow starting at 8am, just spent and hour lexel sealing a strip of LEDs around the perimeter of the cage, only to plug them in and find out that at some point during that installation the light strip got a short in it somewhere... just Goo Gone cleaned all the lexel off, have to order a new strip of lights... oh my god I'm done for the day. Oh and they put my heat panel on the wrong side of the cage that i requested too. I cannot win today


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Dang man. Yeah the 10" wide shelf does block a lot of the light. It works for me though as i still can see in there fine.

Try and get the water resistant ones. They are beefier. After having 4 sets of lights burn out on me in one way or another, Ali had the guys in the back put together their experimental water resistant ones to send me as like i told Ali, i think the humidity/condensation is getting up above the LEDs as the recess for them is the highest point in the cage. Then it is turning to liquid drops and dripping on the LED strip and somehow shorting them out after a few months since i keep my boas and retic at around 70-80% humidity.

And you know, now that I look at it, I kind of wish I went with the T65 for Caesar. When he is all stretched out, he is longer than the cage lol. I might be ordering a T65 next summer and using the T25 for Gina when she gets bigger.....

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Currently setting up the cage. It's assembled and sealed but the shelf totally blocks all light from the led strip... gonna have to mount a longer piece around the perimeter and seal it in place with the lexel sealant... pics in a bit hopefully.


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I noticed that as well with the shelf and RHP it blocks the LED output....oh well..live and learn I guess.

About your RHP - I bet if you call Ali she'll ship you a new top PRONTO.

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Dang man. Yeah the 10" wide shelf does block a lot of the light. It works for me though as i still can see in there fine.

Try and get the water resistant ones. They are beefier. After having 4 sets of lights burn out on me in one way or another, Ali had the guys in the back put together their experimental water resistant ones to send me as like i told Ali, i think the humidity/condensation is getting up above the LEDs as the recess for them is the highest point in the cage. Then it is turning to liquid drops and dripping on the LED strip and somehow shorting them out after a few months since i keep my boas and retic at around 70-80% humidity.

And you know, now that I look at it, I kind of wish I went with the T65 for Caesar. When he is all stretched out, he is longer than the cage lol. I might be ordering a T65 next summer and using the T25 for Gina when she gets bigger.....

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Yeah, I've got waterproof LEDs. I think they just got bent at some point near the connection pins and frayed a wire internally. They flickered a couple times but couldn't get them to stay on so I peeled it all off and ordered new ones, which won't be here til next week. At which point I'll have to seal them in place and wait for the sealant to cure... might be another couple weeks before I can use this dang cage. So frustrating. I mean I could just roll with the lights I have installed in the ceiling groove but they only really illuminate the shelf and maybe a couple inches at the front of the cage. We'll see what happens. The custom raised door track looks freaking awesome though


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Yeah, I've got waterproof LEDs. I think they just got bent at some point near the connection pins and frayed a wire internally. They flickered a couple times but couldn't get them to stay on so I peeled it all off and ordered new ones, which won't be here til next week. At which point I'll have to seal them in place and wait for the sealant to cure... might be another couple weeks before I can use this dang cage. So frustrating. I mean I could just roll with the lights I have installed in the ceiling groove but they only really illuminate the shelf and maybe a couple inches at the front of the cage. We'll see what happens. The custom raised door track looks freaking awesome though


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Lets see pics of it.

Got new lights installed and man does it make a huge difference.
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After! So much better.
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And the custom raised track! Phyllis can still smash her face against that middle post but no more jamming her face between the door and the litter dam and I don't have to make a door jam to fill that space. I can finally use the left door of Phyllis's cage for the first time in like 9 months! Woohoo! Tons more pics once the sealant cures and I get her set up in there


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Got new lights installed and man does it make a huge difference.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3026c5c176.jpg
Before...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...274bfaabd3.jpg
After! So much better.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...244aa38008.jpg
And the custom raised track! Phyllis can still smash her face against that middle post but no more jamming her face between the door and the litter dam and I don't have to make a door jam to fill that space. I can finally use the left door of Phyllis's cage for the first time in like 9 months! Woohoo! Tons more pics once the sealant cures and I get her set up in there


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Damn that is sexy as hell. I love the skyhide. I'd like to see more photos of it in use! I don't regret getting my T10 for Gene, but that is amazing looking. Can we get some full pictures from a distance? What's your layout plans, going to keep it simple? Where did you put the probe? I put mine on the cold side and have had zero problems.

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You kicked some a$$ on that buddy!

Set up and sealed quickly. Mine is still in the boxes and I'll be getting to work on it hopefully Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. The unit weighs 120 pounds and I've got backgrounds, perches, lights and sealer to put in.

Your photo session has me antsy to start up.

It looks great over there and I'm sure your girl will take to the sky hide quickly!

Haven't got the panel running yet but planning to put the probe either cool side or center of the cage. I lucked out and they sent it assembled, I think because I waited 22 weeks. Definitely more pics once it's up and running. It's surprisingly not that heavy for its size. Maybe 60-70lbs?


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Nice. I like that raised door. My problem never was really the litter dam for Caesar. He always pushes on that center brace right where the 2 panes of glass split. It's like the draft of air there makes him push when he is hungry lol. You went for the stand also? And now you need one for Gerald :P

And yeah, they aren't that heavy really for how sturdy and thick they are. I was able to lift them myself and stack them.

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Nice. I like that raised door. My problem never was really the litter dam for Caesar. He always pushes on that center brace right where the 2 panes of glass split. It's like the draft of air there makes him push when he is hungry lol. You went for the stand also? And now you need one for Gerald :P

And yeah, they aren't that heavy really for how sturdy and thick they are. I was able to lift them myself and stack them.

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Nah, no stand. I've got big wire shelves on casters as my stand so I can get behind them easily if/when needed. Honestly I think Gerald won't need anything bigger than a 4x2 footprint. Maybe a 48"x30"x18" someday but he still fits fine in a 36" cage right now, he's tiny haha! He'd be lost in a 6' long cage.
I'm so stoked to be able to use the left door of Phyllis's cage now. I'm sure she'll still push at the center post but at least she won't rip up the bottom of her jaw in that go between the door and the litter dam like she did in the past. I'll probably get her in the T25 by this weekend.


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Nah, no stand. I've got big wire shelves on casters as my stand so I can get behind them easily if/when needed. Honestly I think Gerald won't need anything bigger than a 4x2 footprint. Maybe a 48"x30"x18" someday but he still fits fine in a 36" cage right now, he's tiny haha! He'd be lost in a 6' long cage.
I'm so stoked to be able to use the left door of Phyllis's cage now. I'm sure she'll still push at the center post but at least she won't rip up the bottom of her jaw in that go between the door and the litter dam like she did in the past. I'll probably get her in the T25 by this weekend.


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Ah, that looked like the AP stand on the bottom of the cage. And yeah, now Phyllis will do like Caesar and flatten half her face and split her lip by pushing on the center brace lol.

And look forward to seeing the new set up.

Looks AWESOME....great job, can't wait to see it in action.

I like the idea of the raised track....and lights in front instead of the rear.

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Ah, that looked like the AP stand on the bottom of the cage. And yeah, now Phyllis will do like Caesar and flatten half her face and split her lip by pushing on the center brace lol.

And look forward to seeing the new set up.

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Oh she's got the face flattening trick down pretty good unfortunately. Hopefully with an arboreal hide and a huge shelf now she'll have more entertainment


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Looks AWESOME....great job, can't wait to see it in action.

I like the idea of the raised track....and lights in front instead of the rear.

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Thanks! I'm probably going to get it set up tonight or tomorrow sometime.
After seeing how the raised track turned out I don't see why they wouldn't do that as a standard feature


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Thanks! I'm probably going to get it set up tonight or tomorrow sometime.
After seeing how the raised track turned out I don't see why they wouldn't do that as a standard feature


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Maybe if there is a gap between the litter dam and that raised section, if the snake pisses or lets a juicy poop rip on top there, it will seep down between and be impossible to clean? /shrug

And snakes will poop in the track!!! Just look at my Gina thread and you will see a pic of her ripping a juicy one in the track the first night i got her lol.

And I am really curious how they built up that track level with the litter dam. Can you take some more pics or explain it? Did they cut a section of PVC that matched the height of the litter dam and then you just screw it in place on the floor and sides? Like a double center brace piece? I do like it and i would probably run a small bead of Lexel along it to seal any gap there and then wet finger smooth it in as that Lexel stuff is like concrete once it dries haha.

And it does kind of make me wonder why they dont do it on all the cages except for reason i mentioned above maybe.

Oh and another thing, did it cost extra?

I'm curious because if I have to get Caesar a T65 next summer, I might have them build me something like that too but I'd rather pick your brain and see how they did for you rather than bug Ali considering I call her every month usually to tell her the non waterproof LEDs need to go as I got another one burned out lol.

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And I am really curious how they built up that track level with the litter dam. Can you take some more pics or explain it? Did they cut a section of PVC that matched the height of the litter dam and then you just screw it in place on the floor and sides? Like a double center brace piece? I do like it and i would probably run a small bead of Lexel along it to seal any gap there and then wet finger smooth it in as that Lexel stuff is like concrete once it dries haha.

And it does kind of make me wonder why they dont do it on all the cages except for reason i mentioned above maybe.

Oh and another thing, did it cost extra?

I'm curious because if I have to get Caesar a T65 next summer, I might have them build me something like that too but I'd rather pick your brain and see how they did for you rather than bug Ali considering I call her every month usually to tell her the non waterproof LEDs need to go as I got another one burned out lol.

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Looking at my T10, is guess they shortened the height of the glass and raised the track mount. So the glass is probably slightly larger that the litter dam.

But pure speculation on my part.

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And I am really curious how they built up that track level with the litter dam. Can you take some more pics or explain it? Did they cut a section of PVC that matched the height of the litter dam and then you just screw it in place on the floor and sides? Like a double center brace piece? I do like it and i would probably run a small bead of Lexel along it to seal any gap there and then wet finger smooth it in as that Lexel stuff is like concrete once it dries haha.

And it does kind of make me wonder why they dont do it on all the cages except for reason i mentioned above maybe.

Oh and another thing, did it cost extra?

I'm curious because if I have to get Caesar a T65 next summer, I might have them build me something like that too but I'd rather pick your brain and see how they did for you rather than bug Ali considering I call her every month usually to tell her the non waterproof LEDs need to go as I got another one burned out lol.

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Yeah basically just a doubled up litter dam with the track on top. The grooves of the track are perfectly flush with the top level of the litter dam. I couldn't be happier with how it turned out. Did it for no extra cost, but be prepared to wait an extra two and a half months for that modification hahahah!
I'm sure it stands the risk of being pooped/peed in but it's no more of a risk of that happening than with the regular door tracks.
If I ever order another cage with a shelf I'm going to see if they can cut the LED groove at the front of the cage. I just drilled a hole for my new lights through the side vents and then put them along the top edge of the cage on the sides and front. Soooooo much more adequately lighted for cleaning and stuff now


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Looking at my T10, is guess they shortened the height of the glass and raised the track mount. So the glass is probably slightly larger that the litter dam.

But pure speculation on my part.

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Yep, raised the bottom track and then shortened the glass doors by the same amount.


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Maybe if there is a gap between the litter dam and that raised section, if the snake pisses or lets a juicy poop rip on top there, it will seep down between and be impossible to clean? /shrug

And snakes will poop in the track!!! Just look at my Gina thread and you will see a pic of her ripping a juicy one in the track the first night i got her lol.

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I suppose that could happen but I don't think it would be any different than if a pee/poop happened in the standard sliding door tracks.


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When you did the skybide, did your bolts penetrate through the top?

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When you did the skybide, did your bolts penetrate through the top?

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Nope. I followed Reinz install method to a T. Got the bigger sets of mirror mounting brackets from Lowes and screwed them in place with 3/4" countersink #8 screws. They probably go about 5/16" of the way into the cage ceiling. I just placed the hide where I wanted it, and then screwed in the mounts for two out of three sides. The third side I made sure was fairly snug against the hide so it won't slide out too easily. I can still slide it in and out without any issue but it's snug enough that it won't be easily bumped out of the brackets. I am prepared to use a stop screw at the front of the hide in the event that Phyllis manages to move it forward at all. Leaving it secured on 3 out of 4 sides for the time being just so I can take it out easily if necessary.

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Nope. I followed Reinz install method to a T. Got the bigger sets of mirror mounting brackets from Lowes and screwed them in place with 3/4" countersink #8 screws. They probably go about 5/16" of the way into the cage ceiling. I just placed the hide where I wanted it, and then screwed in the mounts for two out of three sides. The third side I made sure was fairly snug against the hide so it won't slide out too easily. I can still slide it in and out without any issue but it's snug enough that it won't be easily bumped out of the brackets. I am prepared to use a stop screw at the front of the hide in the event that Phyllis manages to move it forward at all. Leaving it secured on 3 out of 4 sides for the time being just so I can take it out easily if necessary.

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Do you have a link to the write up. I looked at the carpet python thread but it was just a little vague (to me at least).

Are you using the xl hide?

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Yeah basically just a doubled up litter dam with the track on top. The grooves of the track are perfectly flush with the top level of the litter dam. I couldn't be happier with how it turned out. Did it for no extra cost, but be prepared to wait an extra two and a half months for that modification hahahah!
I'm sure it stands the risk of being pooped/peed in but it's no more of a risk of that happening than with the regular door tracks.
If I ever order another cage with a shelf I'm going to see if they can cut the LED groove at the front of the cage. I just drilled a hole for my new lights through the side vents and then put them along the top edge of the cage on the sides and front. Soooooo much more adequately lighted for cleaning and stuff now


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Looking good so far! Any chance you could snap some pics of how you routed/did the lights, and how it looks in there with them turned on with a shelf in there? The way you went about it sounds like how I was planning to do my AP cage when it gets here, so it would be amazing to see it beforehand. Thanks!

PS: Phyllis better be happy and behave in this one! :laughing:

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Do you have a link to the write up. I looked at the carpet python thread but it was just a little vague (to me at least).

Are you using the xl hide?

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I messaged him and he gave me a very precise explanation of how he went about it. Check out the thread "boa enclosure size" and he's got some good pics and notes.
And yeah, I've got the RBI xl hides


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Thank you. I'll look for them. It's a fantastic idea.


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I think someone needs a bigger water bowl... https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d9c048d7c0.jpg
Only an inch and a half of water or so in the bowl and her fat behind is spilling it over the edge hah. Time for a trip to TSC for an 8qt bowl I suppose


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I see everyone elses snakes soak in bowls yet all of mine never sit in their bowls.....i feel kind of robbed :(

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I see everyone elses snakes soak in bowls yet all of mine never sit in their bowls.....i feel kind of robbed :(

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lol don't feel too left out. Phyllis is my only snake that does that and it's exclusively immediately after feeding. Maybe after a shed on occasion. I've caught Geoffrey in his bowl one time in almost 8 years haha! Gerald never but his bowl isn't big enough


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When can we anticipate Phyllis's first night in her new enclosure? Can't wait to see it complete! What was the cost for the enclosure w/ shipping if you don't mind me asking?

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When can we anticipate Phyllis's first night in her new enclosure? Can't wait to see it complete! What was the cost for the enclosure w/ shipping if you don't mind me asking?

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Currently aiming for a move in day tomorrow. I fed all three snakes last night so they get all of today to chill and tomorrow I'll move everyone around and stack all three cages. Going to be Geoffrey up top as I don't really want either of the retics at face level and then Gerald in the middle and Phyllis below in the big cage. Making last touches on the new cage, securing thermostat probes and deciding on thermometer placements and such. I think the cage was like $465 (locks, shelf, LED recessed channel) and shipping was around $160.


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I already posted some pics in the cage thread but here's some for this thread of Phyllis checking out the new apartment haha
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Still hasn't completely gone into the sky hide but she's scoped it out a couple times. I feel like she'll get in there eventually. Watching her cruise around really makes it obvious how much she had outgrown her T8.


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How is Phyllis with the new enclosures? I ordered a new hide for a skyhide, hope Gene will use it. I made his pvc more of a shelf now and he doesn't use it. Just mopes around on the floor.

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How is Phyllis with the new enclosures? I ordered a new hide for a skyhide, hope Gene will use it. I made his pvc more of a shelf now and he doesn't use it. Just mopes around on the floor.

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She seems to like her shelf a good bit. Found her sleeping up there the last couple mornings. Still hasn't used her sky hide though... she fits in the xl reptile basics hides when they're on the floor but hasn't used the ceiling mounted one. I'm going to leave it and see if she uses it eventually. Gerald's been camping out in his everyday haha! I think he's going into shed though


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Finally got a new measurement on Phyllis... Gio called it! Roughly 8.5'. Didn't get pics of her next to the tape measure because she's always on the move but man... she likes to grow! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b61a901e33.jpg
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Bonus pic of her colors super fired up last night.
Such a funny animal, she has three hides now including one on the ceiling, she sleeps either on her shelf or behind the water bowl in plain sight. You do you Phyllis hahah


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What a looker...WOW

Ohh I know that feeling. I almost regret ordering gene is skyhide because he doesn't use the one he has now. This is every day and night. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...972659548c.jpg

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I almost regret ordering gene is skyhide because he doesn't use the one he has now.

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Lol I hear ya! Phyllis is off and on with her hides but mostly off. She's used her warm side twice in the new cage, cool side once. Really likes it right behind her water bowl though haha, maybe I'll get her a bigger one. I'm sure she'd like a full soak after her next meal, that's the only time she soaks but it's every single time immediately after she eats without exception hah


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Speaking of eating, I'm not sure what to feed Gene. The larges don't leave lumps almost at all, and he pushes after 3 days. Do I go with xl rats, Ginnie Pigs or find small rabits?

What's Phyllis on now?

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Speaking of eating, I'm not sure what to feed Gene. The larges don't leave lumps almost at all, and he pushes after 3 days. Do I go with xl rats, Ginnie Pigs or find small rabits?

What's Phyllis on now?

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Phyllis is currently eating xl rats but could easily take two of them probably. She's got some 2xl in the freezer but I've got a handful xl left before those. I have no doubt that Gene could take somewhere between xl-and jumbo rats if he's as big as he looks. Phyllis ate an xl 3-4 days ago and you can't tell she ate a thing. She might actually get two xl's next week, we'll see.
Her next size increase I'm going to either order guinea pigs, probably quadruple xl, or try to get rabbits. Monster Feeders has best rabbit prices around but I don't need that many at once so I might stick to rodent pro and go the guinea pig route. They're not terrible prices really. I think $5 for a 1.5lb Guinea pig?


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Well, Phyllis is too big for my reptile dedicated scale now. Have to use the bathroom scale and weigh myself then pick her up to get a weigh in... she's at right about 10 lbs and is now 19 months old. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...fd0ef187a9.jpg
Even a 2xl rat only holds her over for about 5-6 days at most now. Need to get rabbits or guinea pigs soon!


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Nice!

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Well, Phyllis is too big for my reptile dedicated scale now. Have to use the bathroom scale and weigh myself then pick her up to get a weigh in... she's at right about 10 lbs and is now 19 months old. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...fd0ef187a9.jpg
Even a 2xl rat only holds her over for about 5-6 days at most now. Need to get rabbits or guinea pigs soon!


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Awesomeness!!

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Speaking of eating, I'm not sure what to feed Gene. The larges don't leave lumps almost at all, and he pushes after 3 days. Do I go with xl rats, Ginnie Pigs or find small rabits?

What's Phyllis on now?

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I feed Caesar an XL guinea pig every 10 days or so. He was eating 2XL ones but i wanted to slim it down to the smallest food i could give him that would keep him quiet for 10 days or so. He also gets colossal rats if they are out of guinea pigs. I believe the last time i weighed his food, it was around 450g.

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I feed Caesar an XL guinea pig every 10 days or so. He was eating 2XL ones but i wanted to slim it down to the smallest food i could give him that would keep him quiet for 10 days or so. He also gets colossal rats if they are out of guinea pigs. I believe the last time i weighed his food, it was around 450g.

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I just gave Phyllis two XL rats the other day they weighed collectively just under 600grams. Now about 4 days later you can't even tell she had a meal this week... I was thinking about ordering guinea pigs for her but have heard differing opinions on using them as a primary prey option. Have you noticed any pros/cons to feeding Caesar mostly guinea pigs?


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I just gave Phyllis two XL rats the other day they weighed collectively just under 600grams. Now about 4 days later you can't even tell she had a meal this week... I was thinking about ordering guinea pigs for her but have heard differing opinions on using them as a primary prey option. Have you noticed any pros/cons to feeding Caesar mostly guinea pigs?


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I haven't noticed anything different with feeding Caesar guinea pigs. What have you heard? And yeah, even with Caesar, a XL guinea pig lump is gone in a few days too but it still seems to keep him quiet although Caesar is pretty needy lol. Sometimes he really wants to 'hang out' so he will push until you slide open a door and then he will park himself in front of the open door and curl up by it as I pet him haha.

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I haven't noticed anything different with feeding Caesar guinea pigs. What have you heard? And yeah, even with Caesar, a XL guinea pig lump is gone in a few days too but it still seems to keep him quiet although Caesar is pretty needy lol. Sometimes he really wants to 'hang out' so he will push until you slide open a door and then he will park himself in front of the open door and curl up by it as I pet him haha.

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Just have heard varying opinions on whether the higher fat content of gp can lead to fat snakes in the long run. I think with retics metabolism it shouldn't be a huge issue though. Phyllis is already cruising her cage at day four after eating 600grams of rat haha. She's been enjoying a nice cruise in either the yard or the snake room for an hour ish every other day or so and that seems to make her happy


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