what kind of BP is this? I am so confused...

wow this is really interesting, but i will agree holding your snake like that will not help the agressiveness. what i do is tap the cage b4 i grab my baby so she wont be as baffled:weirdface. and try to find a box or something to feed your balls feeding them off the floor is unsanitary.

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Originally Posted by tank4102

wow this is really interesting, but i will agree holding your snake like that will not help the agressiveness. what i do is tap the cage b4 i grab my baby so she wont be as baffled:weirdface. and try to find a box or something to feed your balls feeding them off the floor is unsanitary.

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Yea its not about making him calmer... its about not being bit.

And the warm cement floor... not cold... is a little dirty from changing cages as I use peat moss since they started putting cedar in the cypress mulch blend....

Also to those who wanted some face pictures I have a few now that it is a nice day and not Cloudy and rainy.

Here are some. As you can tell when i am not restraining him we can hold him just fine.. Although he was still just as mad... this is where JLC's comment comes in..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...n/101_0380.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...n/101_0382.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...n/101_0385.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...n/101_0384.jpg


Let me know what you guys think and if you need different angles on him.

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I'm one of those people that if your snake has never bitten it hasn't been held by me.

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LOL!!!!! OMG thats genious =D

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Originally Posted by cornball252

Again, not that im for "mistreating" my babies... but first, they are snakes... .

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I cannot believe someone would actually join THIS forum and actually say something like that....at least not without getting a non-positive response!!!

THATS JUST THE WEIRDEST PICS I EVER SEEN BALLS ON THE FLOOR EATING RATS ALL OVER THE PLACE,LOL! just strange

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I cannot believe someone would actually join THIS forum and actually say something like that....at least not without getting a non-positive response!!!

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You lost me. Are you trying to imply that they are somehow not snakes? :confused:

Because that is literally all he said; "they are snakes."

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I've been watching this thread closely and everyone participating in it. I will say that I was, at first, completely appalled at the photographs in the original post. I do find the idea of feeding snakes on a cold concrete floor to be unnecessary at the very least, and highly risky at worst. They do perfectly fine being fed in their own enclosures...unless, of course, they have to share that enclosure with another snake.

What I've noticed here in this thread is some (not all!) people making very broad assumptions based on a few isolated photographs...and then jumping on those assumptions as if they were hard-and-fast facts. I've also seen the OP respond to most of these accusations with relative calm and reason...something we rarely see in someone who is really as flippant with animal husbandry as he is being accused of.

I've been in the snake rooms of some of the top breeders in this country. I've seen extremely experienced and knowledgeable keepers handle difficult snakes. In either of these situations, it is SO easy to take a few photographs and display them out of context and cause others to make horrible assumptions based on nothing more than the evidence of those few pics. Rooms get dirty. Snakes poo and make big messes. Take a few pictures the day before cleaning day and you can make the most fastidious keeper look neglectful. Watch an experienced handler try to stretch a wriggling snake out for examination, and snap the picture just so...and you can make the most careful person look abusive.

Nothing wrong with asking questions or offering advice...but let's save the leaping-assumptions game for another time, shall we?

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wow that is the best thing i have ever seen typed on this forum. A lot of people on this forum need to step back and realize how much of a douchebag you really are. People come to this forum to learn and get knowledge. Instead of you being a Adult and giving your advice and being helpful, you prefer to throw out insults and say stuff just so your menions can give you thanks on your threads. Its time to grow up. Stop playing devils advocate. You expect people to be respectful towards you but yet you are just a complete jerk off towards them. All your doing is pushing people away from what a great forum this is.

This post isnt directed towards anyone in particular. Its just what i have observed the short time i have been on this forum

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wow that is the best thing i have ever seen typed on this forum. A lot of people on this forum need to step back and realize how much of a douchebag you really are. People come to this forum to learn and get knowledge. Instead of you being a Adult and giving your advice and being helpful, you prefer to throw out insults and say stuff just so your menions can give you thanks on your threads. Its time to grow up. Stop playing devils advocate. You expect people to be respectful towards you but yet you are just a complete jerk off towards them. All your doing is pushing people away from what a great forum this is.

This post isnt directed towards anyone in particular. Its just what i have observed the short time i have been on this forum

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Thank you very much. I totally agree that is all I have seen on here. I mean there are a bunch of helpful people but lay off the guy. Dang ! He was just asking a simple question and everyone just jumps on him like a bunch of wild animals :) :banana:



Lani~

There are always the ones that.... says their one or three BP's do better without the proper heat gradients... the ones who swear their BP gets depressed when living in a tub that is too small.. ones that sware their BP is obviously sad because it does not have a clear view to the outside world... Ones that claims their BP is sociable that it does not need any hids.... Ones that claim there snake gets depressed if it doesn't have a cage mate... Ones that have a BP that only eats one color rat... Ones that swears it's BP must be fed outside its enclosure, on the cold concrete floor to avoid a treacherous feeding response.... Ones that say for safety purposes an aggressive BP should be held in such a way that completely restricts its movement, squeezing its jaw bones forcing its mouth open.....


then their are the ones who know better. :hungry:

Good Day.

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There are always the ones that.... says their one or three BP's do better without the proper heat gradients... the ones who swear their BP gets depressed when living in a tub that is too small.. ones that sware their BP is obviously sad because it does not have a clear view to the outside world... Ones that claims their BP is sociable that it does not need any hids.... Ones that claim there snake gets depressed if it doesn't have a cage mate... Ones that have a BP that only eats one color rat... Ones that swears it's BP must be fed outside its enclosure, on the cold concrete floor to avoid a treacherous feeding response.... Ones that say for safety purposes an aggressive BP should be held in such a way that completely restricts its movement, squeezing its jaw bones forcing its mouth open.....


then their are the ones who know better. :hungry:

Good Day.

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Then their are ones who write a book to get a point across that has already been stated several times over. Once again I do my methods which work for me. you do yours. Keep your ignorance out of the thread I was not asking on how I should keep a snake I was asking if the snake had any type of "het marker"

Grow up and act like an adult...:salute: