PAM ripped me off?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Maybe it was 21 feet, I do that on occasion, but it was a fair bit for such a tiny creature.

Interestingly though, once they hit a barrier they can't get over, they stop, lay eggs and die.

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thats why i spray my carpet as well.

i know if any got out there would be eggs.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

I've used Equate for a long time. No problems.

I've never used PAM mostly because I don't like the guy who owns it, well, not him personally, but his methods. I also take with a VERY large grain of salt anything a company owner tells me about the longevity of his product. Didn't this guy try to sue against a competitor or partner or something to corner his bit of market? I seem to remember some underhanded dealings a few years ago.

It would seem to me that putting a snake in a bag with a powder that kills mites would mean that the snake was inhaling the same toxin that was killing the mites. Done in the long term, how can this not have a detrimental effect on the snake? Has anyone done any liver function testing? How about lung tissue?

Also viper, you mention that you use it religiously and regularly. How is it that you must treat so often for something you so seldom have?

Equate works, is available almost everywhere and while it may well be manufactured by a complete and total butthead, I know nothing of it as yet and that alone is good enough for me to use it. Add in the fact that it is one quarter the price of pam and I can go to just about any pharmacy to pick it up the day I need it and you can see why I use it on the rare occasions I have need of it.

It also works on rodent mites. I had a supplier that was REALLY bad for a while (one of the main reasons I started breeding my own feeders; quality control) and I used it on them with no problem, waited a couple of days and fed them to my snakes also with no problem.

Jaimie likes the guy who sells pam, has had great experience with it and is very pleased with the product. It does work, no doubt about it.

Bags and powders, while also effective, just seem to be asking for longterm problems, perhaps not seen for years after usage has begun.

Equate works, is easy to find and inexpensive.

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Good post Wes. My two questions with Equate are whether there is any long term damage to animals treated with it. I don't know the answer to that. The other is that Equate has no residual effect so in 30 days when new eggs hatch, there is a reinfestation. When I first started in this hobby I used Permethrin (lice conditioner from the drugstore) and treated a new animal that came to me with mites. It worked ok. At the time I knew nothing about PAM. Since then I have only received 1 snake with mites and I treated w/ PAM and it didn't spread throughout my quarantine room. I've even used PAM for rats when my colony had an outbreak of rodent mites from bedding. I think one of my big concerns is the novice just throwing a snake in a bag with a ton of powder. There aren't any specific directions for this method and there is no research to say whether it's safe.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I think one of my big concerns is the novice just throwing a snake in a bag with a ton of powder. There aren't any specific directions for this method and there is no research to say whether it's safe.

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I'd go so far as to say if it kills mites, then it is not safe to use as it was in this thread. It just seems logical that particulates that are toxic outside the body would be just as if not more concentrated and therefore more toxic inside the body, especially with repeated treatments.

LOL funny you say no proof but
myself 10 years no deaths or illnesses from using it ..
people who been in reptiles longer then me using it same thing no deaths or illnesses ...
the ton of people i have recommended it to thank me for doing so
and they have not had 1 death or illness from using it .

PAM / death to snake if inhaled, but yet effective on mites
Powder / no deaths to date from using it and yet is effective on killing mites .


guess the proofs in the usage for over 10 years .

so use what u like , we all have our opinons on what works best
the OP needed help and i helped him .
if you dont like it keep using what your using , its that simple ..

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

LOL funny you say no proof but
myself 10 years no deaths or illnesses from using it ..
people who been in reptiles longer then me using it same thing no deaths or illnesses ...
the ton of people i have recommended it to thank me for doing so
and they have not had 1 death or illness from using it .

PAM / death to snake if inhaled, but yet effective on mites
Powder / no deaths to date from using it and yet is effective on killing mites .


guess the proofs in the usage for over 10 years .

so use what u like , we all have our opinons on what works best
the OP needed help and i helped him .
if you dont like it keep using what your using , its that simple ..

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I remember you now. Didn't you just get your first snake a few years ago? Weren't you the question of the day boy on fauna for a while?

Also, since you've brought them up a couple of times and I'm all about verification, just WHO else is it that uses this method of yours? Truly I have never heard of it until today.

I will of course, take your refusal to provide such as you not really having any.

sorry wes you must have me mixed with someone else your thinking of . i been breeding and keeping for over 10 years now .

Interestingly enough i can find 3 people on google who even use flea and tick powder on there snake. NO ONE that recommends it but you. and plenty of people saying its not a great idea. so..... yeah

maybe my google skills just suck with the keywords hartz flea and tick power, reptile, snakes. but i don't think thats it.

wow thats right google is the all knowing truth i forgot about that ..

LMAO



like i said do what u like its your choice use what you like its up to you .


its that simple ..

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

Interestingly enough i can find 3 people on google who even use flea and tick powder on there snake. NO ONE that recommends it but you. and plenty of people saying its not a great idea. so..... yeah

maybe my google skills just suck with the keywords hartz flea and tick power, reptile, snakes. but i don't think thats it.

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My thoughts exactly! When I saw the first post on this "treatment" I thought, that doesn't sound good at all for the snake:O I was going to comment or ask about it but, knew some of the more experienced keepers would so I waited. I just can't see how this would cause no ill effects wether short or long term to the snake. I sure won't be using this method.

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

wow thats right google is the all knowing truth i forgot about that ..

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Well, this IS the internets.