Is there a Morph you will never own/breed due to genetics?

I'm all for breeding spiders, but I just think breeding them is more in the people's interest than the animal.

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Originally Posted by simplechamp

KNOWING that they are more likely to trainwreck and still breeding them is because of personal reasons, not for the snake.

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I guess it comes down to "how do you KNOW"? .... How do you "KNOW" that they are "MORE LIKELY" to so called "trainwreck" ... because you read it on the internet? Because someone told you? What is the base of experience that THOSE people are coming from ... did someone tell them as well?

Personally, I'm a "gotta see it for myself" kind of guy. I listen, watch, and form opinions, but in the end, I have to see what the deal is with my own eyes. Then and only then do I feel comfortable speaking in absolutes.

But that's just me.

And not to split hairs, but I would think that given a large enough sample size, you'd get a wide variety of definitions of what "putting the animals first" means ... there are plenty of folks out there that believe that no one that is keeping a critter as a pet is "putting the animal first" ... to each their own I guess.

Just my $.02 for whatever it's worth.

-adam

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Originally Posted by simplechamp

I'm all for breeding spiders, but I just think breeding them is more in the people's interest than the animal.

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Is breeding any animal in captivity really ever in that animals interest? I don't see how it could be?

Just some food for thought.

-adam

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Originally Posted by simplechamp

I'm all for breeding spiders, but I just think breeding them is more in the people's interest than the animal.

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Don’t you think the same applies for the other morphs as well?

We breed them for OUR interest, just like we keep them in captivity for OUR pleasure.

The bottom line is that people need to educate themselves and make the decision that is right for THEM whether they chose to breed or not to breed a certain morph.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I guess it comes down to "how do you KNOW"? .... How do you "KNOW" that they are "MORE LIKELY" to so called "trainwreck" ... because you read it on the internet? Because someone told you? What is the base of experience that THOSE people are coming from ... did someone tell them as well?

Personally, I'm a "gotta see it for myself" kind of guy. I listen, watch, and form opinions, but in the end, I have to see what the deal is with my own eyes. Then and only then do I feel comfortable speaking in absolutes.

But that's just me.

And not to split hairs, but I would think that given a large enough sample size, you'd get a wide variety of definitions of what "putting the animals first" means ... there are plenty of folks out there that believe that no one that is keeping a critter as a pet is "putting the animal first" ... to each their own I guess.

Just my $.02 for whatever it's worth.

-adam

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Great post.

Believe it or not, a lot of the stuff going on in the industry never makes it to the forums. The things that get on the forums then get recycled over and over and over, and a decent amount of these are half truths or half the story, or just drivel. Sometimes we have to realize this and slow down in perpetuating the forum recycling. Like Adam said, without 1st hand knowledge of the entire situation, I take what I read on the internet as what Brian would call, "Faction".

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I guess it comes down to "how do you KNOW"? .... How do you "KNOW" that they are "MORE LIKELY" to so called "trainwreck" ... because you read it on the internet? Because someone told you? What is the base of experience that THOSE people are coming from ... did someone tell them as well?

Personally, I'm a "gotta see it for myself" kind of guy. I listen, watch, and form opinions, but in the end, I have to see what the deal is with my own eyes. Then and only then do I feel comfortable speaking in absolutes.

But that's just me.

And not to split hairs, but I would think that given a large enough sample size, you'd get a wide variety of definitions of what "putting the animals first" means ... there are plenty of folks out there that believe that no one that is keeping a critter as a pet is "putting the animal first" ... to each their own I guess.

Just my $.02 for whatever it's worth.

-adam

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I highly agree with this.
Personally, I have never actually seen a kinked caramel or a wobble spider. My spider does not wobble.

I think if you really want to 'put the animals first' you should join PETA and get rid of all pets and seeing-eye dogs. :gj:

I'm just wondering how many people who have opined and posted their theories about spiders listened to what Kevin had to say about them on Reptile Radio?

And yes - I will keep and breed spiders!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I'm just wondering how many people who have opined and posted their theories about spiders listened to what Kevin had to say about them on Reptile Radio?

And yes - I will keep and breed spiders!

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Why would we listen to Kevin? It isn't like he's the guy who imported the original or anything. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:P:P:P

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I'm just wondering how many people who have opined and posted their theories about spiders listened to what Kevin had to say about them on Reptile Radio?

And yes - I will keep and breed spiders!

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About all spiders haveing the problems to some degree? Personally thats just one persons opinion, and I know that he has delt with sooooooo many spiders, but if they are all from his stock, wont they all have the same traits? IDK, so far ive had two spiders who have not shown any sines of being "special"

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Originally Posted by StickyTongues

Here's a link to the derma ball on Ralph Davis site. The derma is way towards the bottom.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/in...ves/may-05.asp

I agree about the spiders. Bumblebees are what made me decide to start breeding ball pythons in the first place.

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Does Ralph Davis always talk like that? so many ...........