wobbles

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Originally Posted by ama1997

I eat and breed (not as much as I would like But anyways) Thats not a sign of me having a good or bad life. If im homeless haven't ate in a week. You throw just about anything in front of me chances are im going to eat it. I guess same goes with breeding. If I haven't been bred in 6 months, 1 year or whatever. Im going to breed anything you throw in front of me. (maybe) So just because im eating and breeding doesn't prove that I have a good life. But then again eating and breeding what else does a guy need.

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Didn't know this thread was still going....
It is illogical for you to use a human as an example of or for reptile behavior.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

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Hypothetically, since weebles wobble - but don't fall down - is that a bad thing? :bolt:

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Oh Robin... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rolleye2::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by starmom

It is illogical for you to use a human as an example of or for reptile behavior.

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Oh come on Mrs.Spock, isn't that where we get the term "Cold blooded murder" from? LOL :P

To possibly shed some light on this topic I E-mailed the Barkers to get their thoughts on this condition! It will be interesting to see if they can further shed some light on this topic. I think they have enough knowledge on genetic disorders in snakes to be classified as a leading expert in the field. :)

Hi,

First post here.

I have a (baby) norminal and have plans to acquire a Pastel and a Spider in the near future.
Of course, the "wobbling" is a concern, specially because I´ve never acually seen it in a snake - only read about it.
Do you have/know of any videos with a BP wobbling/spinning ? - I have to make a decision wether or not this is "an issue" to me.

Thanks in advance for your replies.


BTW: great site and I hope to learn a alot with all of you

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Originally Posted by JoMo

Hi,

First post here.

I have a (baby) norminal and have plans to acquire a Pastel and a Spider in the near future.
Of course, the "wobbling" is a concern, specially because I´ve never acually seen it in a snake - only read about it.
Do you have/know of any videos with a BP wobbling/spinning ? - I have to make a decision wether or not this is "an issue" to me.

Thanks in advance for your replies.


BTW: great site and I hope to learn a alot with all of you

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Most spiders wobble a bit. If you dont know what to look for you may not even notice it. Usually right before they strike their prey their head bobbles up and down a little then bam they strike. In my opinion this is no big deal and like I said most people would never notice. To me a mild wobble is acceptable.

Spinning is more extreme where the motor movements of the snake are much more affected with twisting motion.

I reccomend either getting a spider at a show where you can see how it behaves or buy one from a trusted source who will give you an accurate description of the behavior. I have 2 spiders(male and female) that have come from different breeders, one has a mild wobble(great personality, probably my friendliest snake) and the other you never see it, maybe a split second before a strike. They are both great snakes and have never had any health problems whatsoever.

I find it interesting that most of the people that comment negatively on spiders dont have one and it seems their opinions are based on the extreme cases or some ugly youtube video. Like the news the ugliest stories get the most attention. Most people that have spiders are very happy with them.

I would avoid one that spins and has motor problems but that still leaves 1000's of nice spiders. I myself dont buy into fear and paranoia(negativity). I just do my homework and make positive educated decisions.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

I find it interesting that most of the people that comment negatively on spiders dont have one and it seems their opinions are based on the extreme cases or some ugly youtube video. Like the news the ugliest stories get the most attention. Most people that have spiders are very happy with them.

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I think the reason most people that comment negatively on spider do not own one is because they like me have decided not to work with them due to the spinning/wobbling. For me that is the absolute only reason that I do not have at 5 females.

Raul

Thank you so much .

Based on your description, I would say the wobbling wouldn´t bother me; the spinning....is another story

As to getting a spider at a show, I don´t see how that could help, if the woogling is right before the strike and not in their day-to-day behaviour.

That leaves my to find a reliable breeder, which, in my case, means travelling 2.000 kms. But, if that´s the way to go...

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Originally Posted by JoMo

Raul

Thank you so much .

Based on your description, I would say the wobbling wouldn´t bother me; the spinning....is another story

As to getting a spider at a show, I don´t see how that could help, if the woogling is right before the strike and not in their day-to-day behaviour.

That leaves my to find a reliable breeder, which, in my case, means travelling 2.000 kms. But, if that´s the way to go...

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I agree, the slight wobbling does not really bother me too much. My problem with spider is that I don't want to take the chance to produce bad spinners while hoping to get lucky. I think hatching out bad spinners is MUCH more common than many people realize.

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Originally Posted by ama1997

Thats my thoughts on this too. If someone wants to keep a spider as a pet fine. If its not spinning or wobbling to bad. If it is it needs to be put down. I do not think they should be bred.

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I just pulled this thread up because I just recently purchased a Spider and remember people were talking about this topic a while back. Mine has some little quirks but it is nothing that I think is detrimental to him. I pulled this quote because I think that people may have missed this and it very much angered me and that no one addressed it really surprised me. Are you really saying that Spiders with any kind of visual defect that are going to be bred be exterminated? That is the most insane thing I have ever heard some one say. If you are a breeder I would never buy anything from a person that would just discard their animals because of a flaw they feel is unsightly. That comment is disgusting.