Kiss your hobby goodbye!!!! USFW Proposed ban!!!!

I will have to round up as many responses as possible. I would hate my hobby to be over before I even get a good start. We are still having to worry about breed specific crap on dogs. First the government wants in our bedrooms, now they want to take our pets,.:mad:

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

Find the time to write a letter and send it. You may think there are enough people doing this already but the more they recieve the better. If we are loud enough and send them enough (respectful) letters perhaps in the future they will think twice before trying this stuff again.

We need to let our voices be heard.

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Originally Posted by neilgolli

In an effort to write the best most effect letter I'm going to wait until Monday or Tuesday of next week in order to pull some hard facts to submit regarding the 10 areas they are most concerned with (listed below).

I will contact florida fish and wildlife and try and get the approximate number of individuals that have a permit to exhibit or sell reptiles in Florida.

I will contact Erin Williams at the branch of invasive species with Federal Fish and Wildlife and aim to get more detailed information regarding the procedures of a change in the proposed rules along with a long term time line of events that we can expect to take place.

I will contact PIJAC (http://www.pijac.org) to ensure they are aware of the issue and see where and how they can support us.

I will share all the information that I uncover as soon as physically possible and share it with the community.





"We are soliciting public comments and supporting data to gain
additional information and specifically seek comment on the following
questions:
(1) What regulations does your State have pertaining to the use,
transport, or production of Python, Boa and Eunectes genera?
(2) How many species in the Python, Boa and Eunectes genera are
currently in production for wholesale or retail sale, and in how many
and which States?
(3) How many businesses sell Python, Boa or Eunectes species?
(4) How many businesses breed Python, Boa or Eunectes species?
(5) What are the annual sales for Python, Boa or Eunectes species?
(6) Please provide the number of Python, Boa or Eunectes species,
if any, permitted within each State.
(7) What would it cost to eradicate Python, Boa or Eunectes
individuals or populations, or similar species, if found?
(8) What are the costs of implementing propagation, recovery, and
restoration programs for native species that are affected by Python,
Boa or Eunectes species, or similar snake species?
(9) What State-listed species would be impacted by the introduction
of Python, Boa or Eunectes species?
(10) What species have been impacted, and how, by Python, Boa or
Eunectes species?"

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A lot of the environmental concerns don't even apply in colder states because pythons and boas won't survive a single winter, let alone a fall or spring.

It concerns me that at least they are gathering your private info and what they will do with it. And if you don't respond to the listed questions, do they dispose of your written response as a don't count one?

What is kind of concerning is the amount of people I'm finding who are FOR the ban. I'm getting a lot of feedback from various places this was posted and wow....

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Originally Posted by Entropy

What is kind of concerning is the amount of people I'm finding who are FOR the ban. I'm getting a lot of feedback from various places this was posted and wow....

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Can you elaborate?

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

A lot of the environmental concerns don't even apply in colder states because pythons and boas won't survive a single winter, let alone a fall or spring.

It concerns me that at least they are gathering your private info and what they will do with it. And if you don't respond to the listed questions, do they dispose of your written response as a don't count one?

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I don't mind giving up personal info. I'm actually going to include all of my sales revenue income and expenses in my letter. They want to here a bit about about the business side of things and I pay a fair share of taxes, both federal and sales tax. I produce, buy and sell. I spent nearly $300,000 this year. Money I put back in the hands of other breeders and into the economy as a whole. They are not stating they are going to take your animals away from you, they are trying to "protect" the native species.....

I'll ask about any requirements to the letters to Erin

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Originally Posted by Entropy

What is kind of concerning is the amount of people I'm finding who are FOR the ban. I'm getting a lot of feedback from various places this was posted and wow....

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Are you on peta message boards?

Some of the responses.

"Yes it is important. As in, it's a pretty damn good idea as long as exceptions are made for properly licensed and permitted individuals who can provide decent care and secure housing. As a zoo employee, it makes me absolutely sick to see the number of abuse and neglect cases that get dumped on us. A lot of them end up dying despite immediate support care when they get to us. I don't think the average yahoo should be able to casually buy exotic pets off the shelf that have special needs to stay healthy and comfortable, eg, iguanas and pythons. I wouldn't want to see well qualified private keepers banned from working with these species, but there needs to be a little more care and thought given to acquiring these animals. A basic license/permit situation would be a big step in the right direction of stopping the abuse and neglect that I see of these animals. And we surely do not need to take any more of them out of the wild. Sustainable captive breeding works just fine."

"I think this is a pretty good idea. I'm sure everyone will try to hang me for it, however:

While it is unforunate for people looking to purchase carpet and blood pythons and smaller boas, there isnt' any reason people would need a retic, anaconda, rock or burmese python in their home. While they are amazing animals, anything that is dangerous to one's neighbors shouldn't be kept. This is why you can't keep tigers or cobras without permits. Yes, there are plenty of people that take good care of large snakes, and confine them properly, but there are more people that don't. They wind up torturing the animal, killing it, or simply disposing of it in the most convienent manner.

Large pythons and anacondas are a SERIOUS threat to natural wildlife. This includes birds, mammals, and the incredible American alligator, which only in the last couple of decades has recovered its numbers. Encroaching species in the florida everglades is the next natural disaster, which we can't avoid forever if irresponsible people are continued to be allowed to simply drop their unwanted pythons when they reach 12 ft+. If we don't want this legislation, than we have to allow people to euthanize their unwanted animals, like we do with shelter dogs and cats, and no one wants that.

This will not stop the trade either. People can continue to sell instate. I believe expos are extremely detrimental by selling large snakes to people who buy them on impulse, thinking at best, they have years before the animals becomes umanagable, which simply isn't true. At worst, having no idea what they are taking on.

It is unfortunate that such legislation is paintbrushing over relatively harmless species that are easy to care for, such as carpet, blood, and tree pythons and boas. I request that people direct their complaints towards THIS part of the legislation, hoping it is modified to allow for the continued trade in harmless, managable spcecies."

Hey Guys, JasCorns here. Whats all the fuss about? We buy sell and ship Fat cornsnakes Not Ball pythons!! YUCKKYYYY...:salute::salute:

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Hey Guys, JasCorns here. Whats all the fuss about? We buy sell and ship Fat cornsnakes Not Ball pythons!! YUCKKYYYY...:salute::salute:

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The colors and number of morphs are getting closer.....

I'm thinish, my momma's not, but were both people