Ball x Burm - Looks like it has been accomplished

:disbelief :eek: wow I think inbreeding anytime type of snake to another type is wrong. People should be shot for deforming snakes like that. I almost sheaded a tear when I seen a ball python mixed with a borneo. This whole breeding to get differ morph is fine, but when you breed to make deformality then thats f**** nuttz!!!

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Originally Posted by crisstyle21

:disbelief :eek: wow I think inbreeding anytime type of snake to another type is wrong.

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so basically you mean outbreeding to hybridize, not inbreeding, inbreeding is how you get recessive morphs within a species by breeding related animals together... in no way related to breeding two snakes of different species.

*and technically breeding for a morph is breeding for a deformity or a mutant, many times a lot of people forget this...

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

*and technically breeding for a morph is breeding for a deformity or a mutant, many times a lot of people forget this...

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So true...something else I think most people forget about is what effect repeatative imbreeding causes on other "systems" within the snake. We think of genes as affecting mainly color or pattern but in truth most genes control other system...so what long term affect does this "breed for morphs" have on the overall health of a particular animal?

In truth we won't know for some time...the "first" morph, the Albino, was only discovered 15 years ago (I assume the original animal is still alive?) and for a species cabable of living 20+ years we will have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

so basically you mean outbreeding to hybridize, not inbreeding, inbreeding is how you get recessive morphs within a species by breeding related animals together... in no way related to breeding two snakes of different species.

*and technically breeding for a morph is breeding for a deformity or a mutant, many times a lot of people forget this...

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Thanks for bringing up this crucial distinction.

What most people seem to worry about is something called outbreeding depression......

The Wikipedia Article is pretty good.....if you read it you'll see things aren't always so simple and black and white when it comes to inbreeding or outbreeding.

Having too much of either is usually a recipe for disaster for a population....this is why we have the terms inbreeding and outbreeding depression.

glad you got here mendel, haha perfect topic for your interests. One question, when is hybrid vigor true, I was gonna ask even before I read that article but it said only 1st gen animals show hybrid vigor. Isn't it common in all generations of more closely related species? or am I just wrong.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

glad you got here mendel, haha perfect topic for your interests. One question, when is hybrid vigor true, I was gonna ask even before I read that article but it said only 1st gen animals show hybrid vigor. Isn't it common in all generations of more closely related species? or am I just wrong.

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It probably depends on the two species involved. Two factors
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(1) how closely related the two parent species are to one another

(2) how intricate the genetic machinery is to begin with....if there are a lot of novel coadapted gene complexes in each species...they may not be able to mesh very well.

Hope that helps......

oh god, we are gonna see the snakes ban together and have a "BP Morph Rights Movement"...hey, the find the original Albino they can make a trilogy movie collection out of it.