Re: Is it just me or have the prices of het albinos really plummeted?
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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES
please post that pm. as i rember sending it to you because you are wishy washy. one day you wanted to get a mkr tatoo on your face then the next you said they were the devil. so as i said please post that pm.
I actualy deleted the PM, as it was from last year, wasn't to important untill now. Since when did I say I wanted an MKR tattoo on my face? I don't even want a tattoo! Is this a figure of speech?
Re: Is it just me or have the prices of het albinos really plummeted?
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Originally Posted by Ginevive
I am waiting for someone to start a BP morph registry, the way that people have the AKC for show dogs.. and the various horse breed associations.. we could have shows, contests, futurities; once the morphs become more widespread and more people have them, this would be a fun way to keep the hobby interesting.. even photo showing might be cool if people (understandably so) did not want to travel cross-country with their sensitive snakes..
Great Idea, there is a Cornsnake registry. I iwll talk to the owners to see how its done.:D
Re: Is it just me or have the prices of het albinos really plummeted?
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Originally Posted by stangs13
I actualy deleted the PM, as it was from last year, wasn't to important untill now. Since when did I say I wanted an MKR tattoo on my face? I don't even want a tattoo! Is this a figure of speech?
Dont let it worry you Justin.. Matt wants Eds name tatooed somewhere on his body, Just cant say where at the moment! :rolleye2:
Re: Is it just me or have the prices of het albinos really plummeted?
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Originally Posted by DJ_86
Dont let it worry you Justin.. Matt wants Eds name tatooed somewhere on his body, Just cant say where at the moment! :rolleye2:
Doesnt bother me at all!Thanks though!
Re: Is it just me or have the prices of het albinos really plummeted?
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Originally Posted by stangs13
Since when did I say I wanted an MKR tattoo on my face? I don't even want a tattoo!
you got me there. you never said you wanted a tatoo. but you did slap a nice saying on your signature for a whial. something like mkr 4 life or i love mkr. you actually pmed me asking me if i would change my signature too. and i said no i would not.
and is it wrong to call out a 14 year old when they accuse me of something publicly. i know most here would of done the same. i guess at least this way the truth is herd.
and as far as ed is concerned. he is a stand up guy from what i have herd. all i can say about him is what i have seen . and so far that is he has sold a lot of good looking animals. and only had one complaint out of hundreds of sales. i dont know him personally but his 99% positive rep is good enaugh for me. last time i checked that is still a A. :salute:
Re: Is it just me or have the prices of het albinos really plummeted?
herd= That's a large herd of cattle.
heard= I heard what you said.
As far as hets...I'll always be prone to go with reputable breeders, hets are only as good as the breeders word and honesty. I'll pay more greenbacks as long as I have the peace of mind that my hets are going to actually prove out. I don't need a TSElike headache.
Re: Is it just me or have the prices of het albinos really plummeted?
I thought this was a discussion about het albinos???
They have been around longer than 95% of the other morphs out there. If you want to judge how any other recessive morph price will change in the future, I would look towards albinos. Albino prices lowering are not really a big issue in my book since I am willing to bet money that out of all recessive traits more albinos are owned and being breed in this country than any other recessive trait. It would be like asking why are pastel prices so low. Pastels are probably the most commonly owned codom morph out there.....I have even started seeing them in pet stores.
When the 'market' discussion are brought up, I always find myself asking tons of questions. If you think of things on a large scale instead of 'just one morph', it is pretty amazing what you can observe.
What are het. albino pairs going for these days? $500/pair?
Do you know that albinos and pieds were proven recessive around the same time? Where are het. pied prices compared to albinos? What does the difference in price mean? Are more people breeding albinos than pieds? Is the demand for pieds higher than albinos? Is the current price of these morphs reflective of the 'original' price paid when the morph first hit the scene? Do all recessive morphs follow the same trend in pricing?
Thats just a few that popped into my head just now. Great topic for discussion. Everyone always seems concerned over 'who' this and 'who' that......who cares which person is selling at which prices?......I just want to know the 'why' behind everything.
Why are these snakes drastically reducing in value? Are there so many breeders out there that they can not sell at higher prices? is everyone looking for the 'quick sell'? why is there all this talk of 'behind closed doors' in the reptile industry? do people understand that by lowering prices on animals that they must increase production to keep the same profit margin? do those people understand what it takes to run a large scale breeding faculity? What impact is this having on the animals in terms of health and genetics? What actions are these keepers taking to preserve their right to own snakes since so many goverment agencies seem to be against it these days?
So many questions.
Personally.....the only issue that lower prices really worries me is......Lack of value equals disposable animals....that is the sad truth. Look at what happens to the normal ball pythons that can be picked up for $5 each in bulk lots...or savanah monitors going for $25 in the nearest pet store. Do most pet stores really care about the animals that they spent $10 on? Will their care change once they are selling pastel ball pythons for $100 each? I seen a pet store selling pastel ball pythons kept in small critter keepers crammed in one large enclosure....right next to corn snakes and kingsnakes. They had price tags of $400 each but were not even given enough room to move.
Some people like to complain that prices being 'too high' keeps others from owning these great snakes. I think that is great. If you have to work hard to get something.....most likely you will take care of it.
It is so sad how lower prices lead to animals being disposable...but that is the truth....and do you know who is responsible for all that?....the reptile community as a whole. Instead of turning out those who are responsible for pushing the ideals that these animals are only of monetary importance, some continue to support them. I hear 'I got this great deal' just as often as I hear "I got this great snake' alot these days.....oh well....I guess that is just the way things go.
....sorry for my rambling.
Re: Is it just me or have the prices of het albinos really plummeted?
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Originally Posted by daniel1983
I thought this was a discussion about het albinos???
They have been around longer than 95% of the other morphs out there. If you want to judge how any other recessive morph price will change in the future, I would look towards albinos. Albino prices lowering are not really a big issue in my book since I am willing to bet money that out of all recessive traits more albinos are owned and being breed in this country than any other recessive trait. It would be like asking why are pastel prices so low. Pastels are probably the most commonly owned codom morph out there.....I have even started seeing them in pet stores.
When the 'market' discussion are brought up, I always find myself asking tons of questions. If you think of things on a large scale instead of 'just one morph', it is pretty amazing what you can observe.
What are het. albino pairs going for these days? $500/pair?
Do you know that albinos and pieds were proven recessive around the same time? Where are het. pied prices compared to albinos? What does the difference in price mean? Are more people breeding albinos than pieds? Is the demand for pieds higher than albinos? Is the current price of these morphs reflective of the 'original' price paid when the morph first hit the scene? Do all recessive morphs follow the same trend in pricing?
Thats just a few that popped into my head just now. Great topic for discussion. Everyone always seems concerned over 'who' this and 'who' that......who cares which person is selling at which prices?......I just want to know the 'why' behind everything.
Why are these snakes drastically reducing in value? Are there so many breeders out there that they can not sell at higher prices? is everyone looking for the 'quick sell'? why is there all this talk of 'behind closed doors' in the reptile industry? do people understand that by lowering prices on animals that they must increase production to keep the same profit margin? do those people understand what it takes to run a large scale breeding faculity? What impact is this having on the animals in terms of health and genetics? What actions are these keepers taking to preserve their right to own snakes since so many goverment agencies seem to be against it these days?
So many questions.
Personally.....the only issue that lower prices really worries me is......Lack of value equals disposable animals....that is the sad truth. Look at what happens to the normal ball pythons that can be picked up for $5 each in bulk lots...or savanah monitors going for $25 in the nearest pet store. Do most pet stores really care about the animals that they spent $10 on? Will their care change once they are selling pastel ball pythons for $100 each? I seen a pet store selling pastel ball pythons kept in small critter keepers crammed in one large enclosure....right next to corn snakes and kingsnakes. They had price tags of $400 each but were not even given enough room to move.
Some people like to complain that prices being 'too high' keeps others from owning these great snakes. I think that is great. If you have to work hard to get something.....most likely you will take care of it.
It is so sad how lower prices lead to animals being disposable...but that is the truth....and do you know who is responsible for all that?....the reptile community as a whole. Instead of turning out those who are responsible for pushing the ideals that these animals are only of monetary importance, some continue to support them. I hear 'I got this great deal' just as often as I hear "I got this great snake' alot these days.....oh well....I guess that is just the way things go.
....sorry for my rambling.
great post..... hopefully thought provoking for ppl.
Re: Is it just me or have the prices of het albinos really plummeted?
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to daniel1983 again.
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Originally Posted by daniel1983
I thought this was a discussion about het albinos???
They have been around longer than 95% of the other morphs out there. If you want to judge how any other recessive morph price will change in the future, I would look towards albinos. Albino prices lowering are not really a big issue in my book since I am willing to bet money that out of all recessive traits more albinos are owned and being breed in this country than any other recessive trait. It would be like asking why are pastel prices so low. Pastels are probably the most commonly owned codom morph out there.....I have even started seeing them in pet stores.
When the 'market' discussion are brought up, I always find myself asking tons of questions. If you think of things on a large scale instead of 'just one morph', it is pretty amazing what you can observe.
What are het. albino pairs going for these days? $500/pair?
Do you know that albinos and pieds were proven recessive around the same time? Where are het. pied prices compared to albinos? What does the difference in price mean? Are more people breeding albinos than pieds? Is the demand for pieds higher than albinos? Is the current price of these morphs reflective of the 'original' price paid when the morph first hit the scene? Do all recessive morphs follow the same trend in pricing?
Thats just a few that popped into my head just now. Great topic for discussion. Everyone always seems concerned over 'who' this and 'who' that......who cares which person is selling at which prices?......I just want to know the 'why' behind everything.
Why are these snakes drastically reducing in value? Are there so many breeders out there that they can not sell at higher prices? is everyone looking for the 'quick sell'? why is there all this talk of 'behind closed doors' in the reptile industry? do people understand that by lowering prices on animals that they must increase production to keep the same profit margin? do those people understand what it takes to run a large scale breeding faculity? What impact is this having on the animals in terms of health and genetics? What actions are these keepers taking to preserve their right to own snakes since so many goverment agencies seem to be against it these days?
So many questions.
Personally.....the only issue that lower prices really worries me is......Lack of value equals disposable animals....that is the sad truth. Look at what happens to the normal ball pythons that can be picked up for $5 each in bulk lots...or savanah monitors going for $25 in the nearest pet store. Do most pet stores really care about the animals that they spent $10 on? Will their care change once they are selling pastel ball pythons for $100 each? I seen a pet store selling pastel ball pythons kept in small critter keepers crammed in one large enclosure....right next to corn snakes and kingsnakes. They had price tags of $400 each but were not even given enough room to move.
Some people like to complain that prices being 'too high' keeps others from owning these great snakes. I think that is great. If you have to work hard to get something.....most likely you will take care of it.
It is so sad how lower prices lead to animals being disposable...but that is the truth....and do you know who is responsible for all that?....the reptile community as a whole. Instead of turning out those who are responsible for pushing the ideals that these animals are only of monetary importance, some continue to support them. I hear 'I got this great deal' just as often as I hear "I got this great snake' alot these days.....oh well....I guess that is just the way things go.
....sorry for my rambling.
Re: Is it just me or have the prices of het albinos really plummeted?
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Originally Posted by truch
Isn't the value in morphs more in the fact that they are beautiful in their own right and not the "mystique" or prestige associated with their monetary value?
THIS is what it's all about :rockon:
