Re: Did I end up getting a female pastel from the tampa show?
If I was really offended I'd go to some other forum but I feel with the name
Ball-pythons.net and a group of people dedicated to ball pythons I can't be in a better site for information. So once again wether your very direct or not I appreciate and thank you for the valuable information that i learn from you.
:rockon:
Re: Did I end up getting a female pastel from the tampa show?
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Originally Posted by TekWarren
Your taking this a direction I don't care to go...getting into what's "natural" and talking about how ball pythons are designed to survive in the wild is well... somewhat out of our context of conversation. We are not feeding these snkes in the wild obviously, and the act of feeding captive animals would be considered a controlled environment...nothing like the situations the wild counterparts would be subject to. In the ball pythons I've had that started out on live I've had no issues feeding them in a seperate container and usually covered to block out light and outside distractions. As well I still have some that started this way and have been adapted to take pre-killed with no issues. -You can agree or disagree, this is simply what I have experienced...and that's not made up.
That statement was NOT made in reference to balls in the wild, and was certainly not out of context in any way. This is one of the few instances where characteristics developed in the wild actually DO apply in captivity, contrary to what you are stating above. Ball pythons are ambush predators, thermoregulate, and sense weather patterns in the wild and in captivity, thats just what they do.
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I can see Adam's point on causing more stress in some animals. I will definately take that into consideration when I have another "live feeder" that will not accept anything else. My motives are simply that I when in the rack system I can't see what a live rodent may be doing as well through the plastic tub. I want to know for darn sure what is happening and I don't like the idea of opening and closing a tub drawer as that will no doubt cause serious stress and possible accidents.
In no way does placing a rodent inside a ball python's enclosure cause MORE stress than removing the snake, putting them in unfamiliar surroundings, with nothing but it and a rodent running around left and right? What are you basing that on? Moreover, I assure you, opening and closing the tub doesn't affect either the rodent or the snake. If you had any experience with what you are trying to argue, you'd know that.
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This is an honest question and I am not trying anyone's knowledge on what is "right" or "wrong". Isn't it possible that a live feeding snake could get stressed out just as by having a live rodent in its enclosure where it generally feels "safe"? This is directed at live only now.
Sure, if they aren't hungry. If they are, they usually hit the rodent the first chance they get. Any responsible live feeder (the person) checks on things frequently and can "read" their animals as far as whether or not they are hungry. If they remain coiled in their hide, showing no interest in feeding, the rat is removed. You have to get to know your animals a little bit and interpret their behavior.
Respectfully,
Brad
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Originally Posted by djslurp1200
If I was really offended I'd go to some other forum but I feel with the name
Ball-pythons.net and a group of people dedicated to ball pythons I can't be in a better site for information. So once again wether your very direct or not I appreciate and thank you for the valuable information that i learn from you.
:rockon:
This is another example of life being full or trial and error. Try it out you might like it better in the long run.
I know how you feel when you state that your doing things one way (because you were told by what you thought was a pro.) and find out that it was a$$ backward.
Again trial and error. Good luck to you with it, let us know how things go.
~Audrey
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THank you audrey!
I am addicted to this site almost as much as I am to my snakes. So you guys will see the progression of my snakes lives as they grow as well as my collection of them and my very own knowledge.
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THank you audrey!
I am addicted to this site almost as much as I am to my snakes. So you guys will see the progression of my snakes lives as they grow as well as my collection of them and my very own knowledge.
I know what you mean....I cant get enough of the site or my lil ball pythons.
I need to capture more on film though...I would love to be able to look back years from now and remember them all when I first started. *note to self..take more pictures*
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*Note to myself
Invest in a digital camera so I can take much much better quality photo's
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Yes...we need a constant supply of good pics or you'll get chased away in a hurry. Just a warning...;)
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I'm serious though, A good digi camera and I think I might have a chance at BPOM... My gallery doesn't show it but... With a good camera to take the right angles and backdrop and its happenin. = )
The photo's on my gallery were taken by a camera phone = (
Re: Did I end up getting a female pastel from the tampa show?
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Originally Posted by TekWarren
Your taking this a direction I don't care to go...getting into what's "natural" and talking about how ball pythons are designed to survive in the wild is well... somewhat out of our context of conversation. We are not feeding these snkes in the wild obviously, and the act of feeding captive animals would be considered a controlled environment.
You've completely misunderstood what I said. My advocation of a non-barren enclosure has nothing to do with what a ball pythons wild environment is like and it has EVERYTHING to do with providing them with the tools that they need to capitalize on a feeding style that they have developed over thousands of years ... they are ambush predators ... they hunt from a hidden position and wait to attack prey when the opporunity arises ... their INSTINCT does not comprehend eating in the open ... when they do ambush prey from hidden positions, they use the hide as cover for their bodies so as to not be exposed to rodent claws or teeth and at the same time predators.
I keep my snakes in a very sterile environment ... unprinted paper, plastic tubs, etc ... nothing is "wild" about my husbandry ... but, I do strongly believe that in order to maximise your success with these animals, you do have to understand "how" they tick ... just like I wouldn't pull a green tree python off of a perch to try and feed it, I would NEVER remove my ball pythons hide in order to feed it.
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In the ball pythons I've had that started out on live I've had no issues feeding them in a seperate container and usually covered to block out light and outside distractions.
I totally respect that ... but I think if you had the opportunity to work with these animals in large numbers, you'd see a different side of them ... one animal is certainly not representative of the behavior of an entire species.
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This is an honest question and I am not trying anyone's knowledge on what is "right" or "wrong". Isn't it possible that a live feeding snake could get stressed out just as by having a live rodent in its enclosure where it generally feels "safe"? This is directed at live only now.
I don't have as much experience as some, but at this point with 2006 hatchlings, I'm feeding well over 500 live rodents every Monday and my honest answer is no. My "routine" for live feeding is so solid that 99% of my animals grab the rat before it even hits the cage floor ... the remaining 1% stalk ... they pursue the rodent from the safety of their hide as it approaches ... never have I seen a sign of stress on feeding day with the exception of a new animal that has been brought in and has not had time to learn the routine yet.
When conditioned correctly, ball pythons are AMAZINGLY AGGRESSIVE feeders! You're welcome to come by my place any feeding day and see for yourself!
-adam
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You're welcome to come by my place any feeding day and see for yourself!
-adam
Adam invites everyone over...he really knows how to make a girl feel special!
But I think personally I would love to see it, I'm going on the 13th to see our reptile store feed over 30 of there snakes F/T, I'm more excited to see that then anything.
