i have a predisposition to never want any spiders or morphs

Sounds good to me lol I actually just looked that book up on amazon and google it looks REALLY interesting I may order one. Curiously enough I'm so interested I've been thinking the last couple months of when I get back to school wonder if I can minor in biology along with my software development...I never entered the realm of genetics until recently and I never knew the majority of this stuff existed. I mean sure we all had biology in high school but nothing compared to what I've learned the last few months... I mean what else is out there in genetics that is so awesome!?


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I agree with the original post , even before some of you shed light on the situation . I just can't see myself having a snake with that disability. And to me , just an opinion, the morph pattern isn't all that great, to have to watch one wobble like that. The only way I could see myself owning a "Spider" is if it was a rescue, and fell into my lap, because someone was neglecting it. . . I come to a great disappointment when i realized that 2 of the morphs that I really had my eyes on, contained Spider genes. :( Killer Clown and Bumblebee. . . Why why why?

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Well I've only ever had one spider morph ... My Caramel Albino Spider who is simply perfect . Not a hint of any shake or wobble or anything , ravenous eater , lovely and calm . This is him a year or so ago but he's probably about 1kg now .




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Thank you !

He's actually on improving colourwise as he ages which is a bonus ...

I have a black bee female which only shows signs when she eats. She gets so excited her head bobs up and down, but she's a deadly shot. I also have a spider het clown that shows zero signs. Both eat live and frozen thawed just fine, the black bee, if she touches the hair on my arm or I touch a rat pup to her nose, will wipe her nose off, which is kinda hysterical to watch, but she goes back to normal. Neither do the upside down slither or anything. Both came from the same breeder who tries not to carry on the line if there is any wobble in the parents. Can it be bread out, I certainly don't know.

I do plan on breeding my snakes, but I will not breed these two females (even thought the possibilities are awesome with my banana and pastel). I see no reason to amplify the trait or carry on the gene. Some i've seen as babies are atrocious. The two I have, didn't have any immediate sign.

To each their own. It's all good. Do what is good in your conscience.

If it wasn't for the spider morph, I wouldn't have my beautiful, sweet little Maya. My first morph and simply the Best. Never upset or flighty or cranky. Always easygoing and sweet. No visible wobble or issue, although I know she carries it.
I can't help but say she is my favorite (well, so are the others, but she is a bit more)


Here she is "then". Almost 7 years ago

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and now. From yesterday:

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She has days where she is darker or lighter, but she is always beautiful. I just love that snake..

I've mentioned in the past that I will not own or work with the spider gene because of the wobble. I do not condemn those that wish to do so but I can't in good conscience do it myself.

If I were to put it in relative human terms, I've never met a person with Down's Syndrome who wasn't sweet, gentle, compassionate, and for the most part very lovable. A world filled with people whose dispositions where like that, would probably be a nicer world. But there are clearly deficits when we examine the whole being. It would be self indulgent and irresponsible for me to ignore those deficits and produce people with the syndrome, just to reap the characteristics I desire.

As hyperbolic as my example may be, we don't/can't really know what's going on with snakes that carry the spider gene beyond what we see. To assume the animal is fine because it lives, eats , and poops is cavalier. Please be reminded that people with Down's Syndrome live, eat, and poop. This is just my $0.02.

I shall now run for cover while you light the torches and grab the pitchforks.

Personally I'm avoiding any morph with the spider gene as my first bp because I'm new to snakes in general. However once I build up more experience as a bp owner, I wouldn't mind considering a spider/spider combo as my second bp :)