Husbandry vent

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Originally Posted by Mr. Misha

No, it's not funny at all. I'm not here to argue with you. You know exactly what you said and now you're acting like it never been said. You're hypocrite.

You want to keep your snakes at whatever temps that you keep them, that's your business. But don't be coming here telling people that their snake is SUFFERING because they're keeping their snake at a normally accepted temperature range.

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All you have done is argue. You made scenarios and I made them back and you call me a mororn for using a scenario. Read this carefully. I AM TELLING NO ONE HOW TO KEEP THEIR SNAKES. I am not yelling I just want you to understand. If someone says that their snake has issues and then says I won't change anything to fix it then there is an issue there. I still feel 83-84 ambient temp is too high. However as I said 30000000000000 times now if it works then cool. As stated 3000000000000 he said it wasn't working at the time. If you want to debate I am cool with that. If you disagree with me I am cool with that. If you hate me I am cool with that. Telling me what I said that wasn't true I am not cool with. There was a reason I said the snake was suffering I didn't just make it up. This is unbelievable. Here is the statement from the other post: You said your snake was dehydrated. So if you continue with your husbandry then the snake is suffering. The snake isn't doing anything wrong the snake keeper is. 82 ambient and 92 hot is too hot. At a minimum at least try tweaking your methods a little to fix the problem instead of saying I am doing nothing wrong but my snake has something wrong with it.

Lets play nice and avoid the name calling shall we folks? :rolleyes:

I'd hate to have to start handing out infractions. :please:

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Originally Posted by dr del

Lets play nice and avoid the name calling shall we folks? :rolleyes:

I'd hate to have to start handing out infractions. :please:

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I agree let's all have a big group hug. :D

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Originally Posted by bondo

I agree let's all have a big group hug. :D

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No.

Come on hungba you need a hug. LOL

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Originally Posted by bondo

So data should not be based on averages? what should it be based on? This is the average for Bangui.
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The hottest day average low is 69 and the coldest is 65. That would put the average low for the entire year at 67. Yaoundé, Cameroon average low for the year is 68. The average low for the year in Khartoum, Sudan is 73.5. The average low for the entire year in Tambacounda, Senegal is 72.5. I know what you are going to say.

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I would say that the above information is only 2/365 accurate in the interpretation of the average low temperatures of these cities, and if the remaining 363 days were linear between those two points, it'd be 100% accurate. However, weather is not linear and one cannot simply average the low on the hottest day and the low on the coldest day to extrapolate the average low for the entire year. ;)

Taking two average low temp data points from each month (the 1st and the 15th - still only 24/365 accurate) leads to the following annual low temp averages:
Bangui, Central African Republic: 70.79 (+3.79)
Yaoundé, Cameroon: 68.50 (+0.50)
Khartoum, Sudan: 76.88 (+3.38)
Tambacounda, Senegal: 74.79 (+2.29)
Accra, Ghana: 75.21 (-0.29)

As shown, the majority of the year's average low temps in these cities is warmer than simply the average between the two min/max dates. This simply means that it's warmer more than it's cooler during the year in these cities (for the most part). :)

Not that all of the analysis matters much in the grand scheme of things when it comes to keeping our animals - I'm just a sucker for accurate information and love to data mine these kinds of things (to a fault). :gj:

Now - back to the hugging and koombaya! :grouphug:

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

I would say that the above information is only 2/365 accurate in the interpretation of the average low temperatures of these cities, and if the remaining 363 days were linear between those two points, it'd be 100% accurate. However, weather is not linear and one cannot simply average the low on the hottest day and the low on the coldest day to extrapolate the average low for the entire year. ;)

Taking two average low temp data points from each month (the 1st and the 15th - still only 24/365 accurate) leads to the following annual low temp averages:
Bangui, Central African Republic: 70.79 (+3.79)
Yaoundé, Cameroon: 68.50 (+0.50)
Khartoum, Sudan: 76.88 (+3.38)
Tambacounda, Senegal: 74.79 (+2.29)
Accra, Ghana: 75.21 (-0.29)

As shown, the majority of the year's average low temps in these cities is warmer than simply the average between the two min/max dates. This simply means that it's warmer more than it's cooler during the year in these cities (for the most part). :)

Not that all of the analysis matters much in the grand scheme of things when it comes to keeping our animals - I'm just a sucker for accurate information and love to data mine these kinds of things (to a fault). :gj:

Now - back to the hugging and koombaya! :grouphug:

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No wind chills or heat index? :rofl:

This should help (or maybe not...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Ghana

Record highs for any month never go above 90 degrees. Ever.

I am also one of those who keeps my temperatures lower than what is typically recommended because experience has shown that in my situation that is what works better for me. If keeping your temperatures higher works better for you, then by all means use them. Just be careful not to cook your snake. There are many paths to success, don't be afraid to experiment and use whatever works best in your situation. Listen to your snakes and they will tell you what they like.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

This should help (or maybe not...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Ghana

Record highs for any month never go above 90 degrees. Ever.

I am also one of those who keeps my temperatures lower than what is typically recommended because experience has shown that in my situation that is what works better for me. If keeping your temperatures higher works better for you, then by all means use them. Just be careful not to cook your snake. There are many paths to success, don't be afraid to experiment and use whatever works best in your situation. Listen to your snakes and they will tell you what they like.

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I'll bet that the sun beating down on the ground warms it higher than that though.

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Originally Posted by Jhill001

I'll bet that the sun beating down on the ground warms it higher than that though.

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This is being made waaay to complex than it really is.

Termite mounds vary between 84 and 90 degrees. The "design" of these has been relentlessly studied...especially in regards to how it regulates temperature...even when temps skyrocket or plummet outside of the structure. Studies on regius have shown that they seek burrows within this temperature range during the day....and no I'm not going to provide the study or a link to it. I think people would be better off if they took the time to study the aspect of the'r animal's natural history rather than having it spoon fed to them.

Ball pythons are mainly nocturnal, and perhaps nominally crepuscular. When they go out to hunt or to search for mates, they expose themselves to temperatures varying anywhere from the mid 80s to the high 60s - depending on the time of the year and the weather and the time at night they decide to take a stroll.

Can you keep your ball python at an overall ambient temperature with no hot spot? I guess.

Can you keep your ball python in an environment where it can choose a wide range of temps? Probably a better idea.

Bondo, it's not so much that people are using out of date or old husbandry. It's more that they never take the time to study the habitat and natural history of the animals they keep.